Did Discovery jump too much into the future?
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Even if time travel is illegal why not do it anyways. It's not like they can track you so once you go back to the past that is that. In fact the future you went to won't even exist anymore to care you went back since the timeline would change once returning to your time.
Relativity was basically like the Tardis. it can go anywhere in space and time in an instant. Just turn off the time component of it.
Ships would still have warp as a backup but it wouldn't be their primary source of travel. They would have thought of multiple new ways by then. We saw a few others in the 24th century.
I would have done 26th century. I could still see many ships using warp then but other more advanced ships using alternatives, but nothing as radical as spore drive.
Ships would still have warp as a backup but it wouldn't be their primary source of travel. They would have thought of multiple new ways by then. We saw a few others in the 24th century.
I would have done 26th century. I could still see many ships using warp then but other more advanced ships using alternatives, but nothing as radical as spore drive.
Except they have the tech to monitor timelines and temporal anomalies as early as the 29th century, and that tech likely vastly improved during the temporal wars.
Well, I'd consider ending up in an other-dimensional realm where your thoughts become reality a side effect...
Not really. Not like what warp 10 did later.
Yes.
The problem here is that the most we have seen in technology/science changes in Trek from the 32nd century amount to barely a few decades (if that) of technological advancement for UFP (which was comprised of over 150 member species in late 24th century that freely exchange knowledge, technology and resources).
There are no Dyson spheres of Federation make (or even Dyson Swarms - a Dyson Swarm is something we could have started building in real life since 1990 for crying out loud), no standardized faster than Warp engines (something that would basically rival Disco's spore drive), no advanced power sources (still using dilithium and M/AM which would technically be binned shortly after VOY returned).
No extra-galactic Federation (that we know of), nothing of real consequence in changes... just more of pretty much the same (which is NOT what Trek was really about).
Science and technology evolve exponentially for just 1 species, and Trek writers missed an opportunity here in illustrating the UFP as say Type III civilization on its way of becoming Type IV in the 32nd century.
Think exponential advancements and returns for 1 species are dizzyingly fast? Enhance that with just 4 founding members of UFP... then with dozens, and over 150.
They have a 'team of writers' and apparently 0 ability to even think of the technologies and knowledge VOY brought back which would be realistically made practical well before PICARD series aired (20 years for a an organization of that size? Come on, it would be a piece of cake for them, especially with adaptive algorithms and AI thrown into the mix for R&D which would make it work in a nanosecond).
Too far into the future.
It would have been more manageable if they pushed the show into the late 25th century or early 26th century perhaps.
A badge that has a personal transporter (which would easily have to be Transwarp transporter - or at least a subspace one), comms, tricorder, etc. all in one would have become a thing in early to mid 25th century.
By the 26th, you'd have a hundreds of thousands of copies (probably millions) of those technologies (and replicators) as atomic-scale technologies woven into the clothing or as a very thin layer inside the skin spread throughout the entire body and networked together (vastly improving their overall capabilities, efficiency, range, etc.).
The Temporal Wars didn't force any technological lapse... neither did the Burn. All the burn caused was separation.
But this was covered ad nauseum already.
I don't think the writers will honestly get off their rear ends and introduce really advanced technology and science and write stories that FIT into that setting (as opposed to dumbing everything down for the sake of 'drama').
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Apparently, distances are abolished if you travel through time then if you want to be at the other end of the galaxy, all you need to do is travel one second into the past (or the future) and you can be there in the blink of an eye!!!
Accessibility is more important.
Too much too perfect technology would kill all drama, it would make the characters completely unrelatable.
Yup. And I'm not interested is near perfect tech that makes all problems like Superman solving a bank robbery.
one of the tropes in Star Trek was that once a civilization reaches a certain point it ascends or evolves into seemingly god-like beings with capabilities far beyond our imagination. mostly made out of pure energy with a few exceptions. those who haven't reached that point yet usually stagnate around the same technological and cultural level of the UFP - give or take.
With this in mind, I think the writers dropped the ball here. It would've been fun to have seen the 22nd century Disco crew in a place where humanity basically turned into the Q-continuum
With this in mind, I think the writers dropped the ball here. It would've been fun to have seen the 22nd century Disco crew in a place where humanity basically turned into the Q-continuum
They have the same trope in the StarGate franchise, people eventually becoming beings of pure energy with unimaginable powers.
Yep, they basically nuked the 32nd Century to make it accessible.
I still reckon it'd spice things up if Burnham were the trigger for the temporal wars. Discovery uses time travel to fix <insert problem> against the orders of Starfleet, setting off a sequence of events which lead to the temporal wars in the past.
And then it's just a complete mess with the time vortex ripping open and everything pouring in from 29th century Borg cubes, Mirror Universe Organians, Tuvix, STV's God entity, The Daleks, The Nightmare Child ... let's just go nuts.
Or not. In any event, I'd bet a fistful of quatloos we haven't seen the last of time travel in Discovery.
Mirror Univers Organians is an interesting concept what would beings like that do to a galaxy? Turn it into well, an endless stream of conflicts without end maybe.
More like a science experiment for them to endlessly test and torture lesser beings for their own amusement. Think the "Think Tank" from Fallout New Vegas in motivation.
Plus they can use the spore-drive now all they want.
“The problem with most genre fantasy is that it's not nearly fantastic enough. It's escapist, but it can't escape.”
― China Mieville
It jumped passed everything from before, so I think it jumped just enough.
It's not DSC's fault that VOY and ENT set the bar so high with the 29th and 31st Centuries. Taking all of past canon and putting it behind them, literally, is one way of dealing with it.
It's not DSC's fault that VOY and ENT set the bar so high with the 29th and 31st Centuries. Taking all of past canon and putting it behind them, literally, is one way of dealing with it.
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