If that's the most recent example you can come up with, then this is hardly a pressing matter, no?
The Fall of Joss Whedon
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Is Consequences when you agree with the mob, it's Cancel Culture when you don't.
I agree. When multiple people who are not connected with each other start making similar accusations independently, that is very different from someone caught making an inappropriate comment once, or someone who has committed an atrocious action. Similarly, people have a right to express opinions even if they don't mesh with contemporary progressive thought. JK Rowling comes to mind for that one. Many of us don't agree with her opinions on gender and sexuality, but she didn't deserve the backlash that she received.
Transphobia deserves a harsh response just like any other form of bigotry. It's not an opinion, it's harmful misinformation that directly leads to violence against trans people. She destroyed her career and got her fanbase to turn on her because she couldn't stop herself from repeatedly being transphobic, she deserves no sympathy.
I respect your viewpoint on that, but I do think there is a difference between expressing an opinion that is shared by a majority of people of a certain age is different than acting on that opinion with violent actions. Change is happening, but it takes time. I consider myself an ally, but I still have a great deal to learn.
Her opinion, that trans women are men, is the reason a lot of trans women are murdered. She may not intend harm, but harm is the direct result of her "opinion". Her position as a beloved writer just makes it worse since so many will hear it and it will give legitimacy towards those who do want to actively harm trans people. One of the results of the controversy that got stirred up because of her has lead to trans people in the UK losing access to medical care, which will also lead to deaths. I have sympathy for the trans people directly affected by her "opinion" and the "opinions" of other bigots like her. None of whom will ever feel a fraction of the pain they cause.
I do not disagree with that assessment. I wonder if anyone ever approached her and invited her to spend time getting to know trans people in a safe space and learn more about them as people. I am a firm believer that the way to building empathy and understanding is building connections between people first. It is harder for somebody to make clinical generalizations when those generalizations include people one cares about.
The people who tried to reach out to her were ignored or attacked. She wasn't interested in it, just repeating bigotry. That's the problem with bigots, they don't want to change. They believe they're right and nothing can change that. You can't get her to sit down with a trans person so she can learn to understand them anymore than you can get a Nazi to try to understand a Jewish person. It's also really not the job of trans people to constantly do the emotional labor for TERFS and other bigots, that's what allies are for.
I doubt she'd see the need. J.K.'s a very progressive and inclusive transphobe - she's on record as saying that trans women should be free to live how they want without judgment and that she's supportive of their right to do that.
But thinks they're really men.
It's the community when you share their opinions, it's the mob when you don't. See how this works?
Have sales for Harry Potter dipped since JK came out?
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/jk-rowling-book-sales-harry-potter-1234708777/
Yes. But not really.
Besides, those sales figures are from 2020
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/jk-rowling-book-sales-harry-potter-1234708777/
Yes. But not really.
Besides, those sales figures are from 2020
This is the part where you have to read the room and keep your thoughts to yourself.
Trans people have uniform distinct unique physical and genetic characteristics, that cis people do not.
She's transphobic. Science is your friend.*
Hey, guys, don't go getting attached to Zach Snyder. Who knows what he's hiding?**
*And even if it's your enemy, it's still real.
**Probably nothing, really. But you'll be better off if you stop making personal heroes of strangers based on their work and public images.***
***Did I say "probably?" I may have meant "maybe."****
****I can do this all day.
Good stuff, but you’re just wasting keystrokes on certain people.
New here?
Posts like this do not belong on this board. If you plan to have a long and illustrious career of posting here, I strongly suggest you refrain from stuff like this.
And as a general note / reminder, when horseshit like this gets posted, don't dogpile and don't feed the troll. There's a report button and it is your friend.
Could you provide a link to this information? Not that I don't believe you, because I do, I would just like have access to that information myself.
No citation, I shouldn't insinuate Braga and actually think many celebrity take downs can get hysterical (and I still give even Kevin Spacey some benefit of a doubt), though there's more grounds and circumstantial evidence around Rick Berman (who sounded more like a spiteful, inappropriate, and overbearing manager than a typical abuser, like Joss Whedon).
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