Paramount/JJ trying another Trek movie (that will probably never get made).

[mattman8907]

I was thinking about this working and I would hope three things happen with this film: 1) It's a sequel to STB and reunites the Kelvin Timeline cast 2) It takes place seven years after the events of Beyond (2263+7=2270) So the team should be finishing their second five year mission and would be going on 12 years of serving together. 3) They redesign the Kelvin bridge of the Enterprise-A to look like the Timeline is resetting itself and it looks more like the Disco enterprise's bridge. Especially since in the Kelvin Timeline, By 2379, they were using TNG era uniforms from the show.

 

[Captain Moe]

I have such a hard-on for Trading Places. Has everyone seen it? It’s both funny and oh-so-relevant to contemporary discussions of both racial and economic injustice (Wall Street).

80s Eddie was the best, rude, crude and funny. He was offered the role of the marine biologist in Voyage Home, just imagine what that movie could have been.

Just saw this about the new Trek movie and they touch upon what i was talking about how they factor in how movies make money, and it includes Old Man Burnett

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[Muji]

80s Eddie was the best, rude, crude and funny. He was offered the role of the marine biologist in Voyage Home, just imagine what that movie could have been.

Just saw this about the new Trek movie and they touch upon what i was talking about how they factor in how movies make money, and it includes Old Man Burnett

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Interesting video. Thanks for posting. I fear he will be bitterly disappointed if his acceptable standard is The Matrix. I agree with him on The Matrix; it blew my socks off. But if anything less than an original, intellectually stimulating, visually amazing spectacle that pushes the boundaries of cinema is going to be sub-par, he’s setting himself up for a massive fall. I think it’s probably unfair, considering that no Star Trek movie has ever got anywhere near The Matrix level of brilliance and originality.

 

[Captain Moe]

Interesting video. Thanks for posting. I fear he will be bitterly disappointed if his acceptable standard is The Matrix. I agree with him on The Matrix; it blew my socks off. But if anything less than an original, intellectually stimulating, visually amazing spectacle that pushes the boundaries of cinema is going to be sub-par, he’s setting himself up for a massive fall. I think it’s probably unfair, considering that no Star Trek movie has ever got anywhere near The Matrix level of brilliance and originality.

He got the inflation figure dead on though, I just had a look and $60m in 1999 is now the equivalent of $95m. I think he meant more that they were able to make an incredible film for $60m, and that having a large budget doesn't equate a better movie. Which I kind of agree with. $180m was way too much for Beyond and the story certainly did not warrant it.

 

[Muji]

He got the inflation figure dead on though, I just had a look and $60m in 1999 is now the equivalent of $95m. I thin he meant more that they were able to make an incredible film for $60m, and that having a large budget doesn't equate a better movie. Which I kind of agree with.

Yeah, I think it’s right to say that there’s not necessarily a correlation between cost and quality of output. I also think having lots of money doesn’t mean you can’t have a quality, intelligent movie. I think it just needs to be the main objective. I mean, I’d love a Trek movie that gets anywhere close to the Matrix. Thing is, if it was as easy as just giving a smaller budget and saying ‘make me a movie that’s as good as the Matrix’ then I think everyone would be doing it. My point here is that the Matrix has a kind of magic that’s near impossible to reproduce. Holding up any future Trek movies against the Matrix with make for an uncomfortable result.

 

[ExtremeSail]

By 2379, they were using TNG era uniforms from the show.

I thought it was implied that the temporal agent originated from the Kelvin Timeline and was wearing the uniform of the prime era he landed in, not that KT Starfleet were wearing early TNG uniforms in their 2379.

 

[fireproof78]

I thought it was implied that the temporal agent originated from the Kelvin Timeline and was wearing the uniform of the prime era he landed in, not that KT Starfleet were wearing early TNG uniforms in their 2379.

That is indeed the context.

 

[Arpy]

He got the inflation figure dead on though, I just had a look and $60m in 1999 is now the equivalent of $95m. I think he meant more that they were able to make an incredible film for $60m, and that having a large budget doesn't equate a better movie. Which I kind of agree with. $180m was way too much for Beyond and the story certainly did not warrant it.

$95 Million wouldn't be too bad. I forget his exact figure, but I thought, yeah, start there (substantially less than a super big budget film -- $180 Million) and if you have to throw in another $10 Million to get everything just right, okay. So long as the additional money isn't distracting more than perfecting.

At least, I think that would be helpful for Trek now, as I think a lot of genre movies are too reliant on spectacle today. (If First Contact had a huge budget and went full Borg armada, that frankly would have fulfilled the promise of taking Trek to the Big Screen for me.) Today, once a director or a team have proven that they can do Trek well, and they want to go there and have a solid plan to do so, then I say throw them double the money for something huge. It would be cool.

I do think that there's plenty of Trek audience out there for it. That wasn't what sank NEM or got diminishing returns on the TNG movies, as Burnett suggested.

 

[F. King Daniel]

So the team should be finishing their second five year mission and would be going on 12 years of serving together.

Or they can take advantage of the AU format and split the team up, making their reuniting part of the plot.

I'd love to see something like the novel Prime Directive, where the crew are disgraced and have gone their separate ways then reunite and clear their names.

 

[arch101]

It might be crazy but I wonder if TPTB have actually considered trying to remake TMP. The timing is almost right and one of the biggest criticisms of TMP is that it's "too 2001" and "not accessible" to a wider audience. A good screenwriter could redo that story without changing it into an action shoot-em-up. In fact, it would be a chance to fix a few flaws from the original. Being the Kelvinverse, there could also be a couple of twists to differentiate it from the original. I have no doubt that the Kelvinverse actors could pull off the parts they would need to play. In fact, I'd look forward to seeing Pine and Quinto perform TMP.
PS- TMP happens to be my fav Trek film, but I'm compelled by the idea of this cast and crew trying again.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Paramount hasn't got a lot going for it right now, so they'll probably want to play it safe.

Which means it'll most likely be a simple, light plot character drama with pew pew like the first one.

Or a full-on Borg invasion movie disaster style.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Or a full-on Borg invasion movie disaster style

I'd love Kirk vs Borg. With the Borg reimagined using modern CG to actually replace body parts with machinery instead of using rubber suits. Spock inevitably gets assimilated and takes the Locutus role...

 

[CorporalClegg]

No Locutus. No Queen. Just full-on cyborg space zombie locusts.

 

[Dukhat]

Why does this new thread topic look and sound like a response to an old thread topic?

 

[The Old Mixer]

It looks like this is a tangent that was snipped from a GTD discussion and moved here.

ETA: And I've merged it into the existing thread discussing the movie release date announcement.

 

[StCoop]

Oh look; movie that will never get made* now has a director.

https://deadline.com/2021/07/star-trek-film-director-wandavision-matt-shakman-1234792438/

*Or will it...

 

[dinzy]

I am really curious about what they will try with this. It needs to appeal to an audience wider than the last films... Or does it? Does Streaming plus theater allow for a smaller movie? Probably, but this will still end up shooting for blockbuster status. Prediction: Prime universe, new crew, a little ways past Picard in the timeline with an ambiguous cliff hanger ending that sets something bigger up if it makes enough dough.

 

[fireproof78]

I think that it needs to appeal to the audiences like ST 09 did, and if they have a follow up film it can't be 4 years post. Doesn't matter the universe, though I would be willing to bet it will be Prime.

 

[Cyrus]

So far they have commissioned 5 scripts for the next Trek movie: The original Kelvin 4 with Kirk's dad, Tarantino Trek, Hawley Trek, the one from Discovery writer and this one with Marvel writer. This last one has the best chance to make it since it is the only one currently active. This is going to be the longest hiatus between Trek movies so it better be a good one.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Didn't WOK have a bunch of different scripts before the stuck Nicky in the corner and told him to figure it out?