Spoilers Captain Archer's Response in Cogenitor
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Tripp acted according to Starfleet doctrine in response to the Cogenitors response for asylum.
Archer however only acted in his own best interest after he had been taken into the center of the sun.
Just like the Synth, do the Cogenitor species not have the same freedom to make choices?
Archer however only acted in his own best interest after he had been taken into the center of the sun.
Just like the Synth, do the Cogenitor species not have the same freedom to make choices?
There was a doctrine?
The doctrine of Starfleet has always been to grant asylum to people seeking escape from oppressive regimes.
I’ve just started this episode as part of an enterprise rewatch. Trip’s reaction to anything “non-traditional” is an interesting trek commentary on the southern states. See also his reaction to Phlox’s wife’s advances. If he wasn’t from Texas with that twang would he have been the character selected for these storylines?
I completely agree with you. Everything would have been fine if Trip had just kept it in his pants.
I think it's extremely dangerous to judge a culture based on less than 40 minutes of exposure to it.
Is there a contemporary culture that would look good viewed through such a limited filter?
As for this case in specific, the individuals in question were likely raised from Day One with an understanding that this is the right and proper place of cogenitors in their society. It's easy to look in from the outside and say, "How can you do this???" without even getting to know the people involved.
Is there a contemporary culture that would look good viewed through such a limited filter?
As for this case in specific, the individuals in question were likely raised from Day One with an understanding that this is the right and proper place of cogenitors in their society. It's easy to look in from the outside and say, "How can you do this???" without even getting to know the people involved.
If Charles lot in life was so awful that she chose to kill herself rather than endure it, then the culture that generated that choice is to blame.
A cogenitor's choices would have to be limited so that they can do their job effectively. With an occurrence rate of 3 percent, one cogenitor has to service (on average) 16 couples. That means they move around a lot, and they can't have much participation in the lives of their children. It DOES NOT mean they can't have names, nor does it mean they can't have a dish of ice cream or the occasional mountain climbing trip. A culture that denies them these things is toxic.
A cogenitor's choices would have to be limited so that they can do their job effectively. With an occurrence rate of 3 percent, one cogenitor has to service (on average) 16 couples. That means they move around a lot, and they can't have much participation in the lives of their children. It DOES NOT mean they can't have names, nor does it mean they can't have a dish of ice cream or the occasional mountain climbing trip. A culture that denies them these things is toxic.
You are applying human standards to an alien culture. Who said you could do that?
There is no such thing as a universal standard. What works for the Vissians may not work for humanity. Doesn't give us the right to judge them.
Yes, he's quite erratic. Sometimes he gets involved, sometimes he does not. You never know on what criteria he bases his involvement or lack of such...
"Andorians in a Vulcan temple" --> involved
"species threatened with extinction" -->> don't care
"Species hunted"---> involved
"Colonists bullied and ransomed" ---> involved
...
Alternately, word got to the Cogenitors, they committed suicide en masse or otherwise tensions within Vissian society reached a breaking point, and the civilization died off.
Hopefully not, as the Vissians generally seemed like a good people. For all we know, their government was already trying to find ways to get out of their dependence on the Cogenitors.
I'd certainly like a follow-up to this episode. There's no way to know what impact the events of the episode may have had.
Congratulations. You have just legitimized slavery and oppression. Would you like a Confederate flag to hang on your porch?
Better news: the Vissians were a friendly and affable species. When they heard about the Federation, they would undoubtedly have been interested in joining. And if the Federation charter prohibits caste discrimination, it's probably not very friendly to gender discrimination, either.
It's an enzyme.
You can clearly milk it.
But this couple on the episode paid for the authentic experience.
Are they clones?
That might close down the Gene pool?
Yes. I understand that congenitors are real people who are enslaved, but if you had the technology to triplicate a congenitor and end the baby gap you'd just plain have to.
Move: Never Let Me Go.
Clones are raised in an English boarding school, with limited rights, to have their organs harvested in their mid twenties.
So maybe there are congenitors with rights, and clones of congenitors who are cattle to have sex with.
Black people were enslaved to make cotton.
Congenitors were enslaved to make babies.
Omg.
PLANET OF THE INCELS!!!!
You can clearly milk it.
But this couple on the episode paid for the authentic experience.
Are they clones?
That might close down the Gene pool?
Yes. I understand that congenitors are real people who are enslaved, but if you had the technology to triplicate a congenitor and end the baby gap you'd just plain have to.
Move: Never Let Me Go.
Clones are raised in an English boarding school, with limited rights, to have their organs harvested in their mid twenties.
So maybe there are congenitors with rights, and clones of congenitors who are cattle to have sex with.
Black people were enslaved to make cotton.
Congenitors were enslaved to make babies.
Omg.
PLANET OF THE INCELS!!!!
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