Spoilers Captain Archer's Response in Cogenitor
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In the meantime, I fixed your earlier post for you.
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See, I disagree with this. Picard certainly would not be thrilled that a crew member brought this up to a new species, but I really don't think he would prioritize the Prime Directive over a plea for asylum after seeing the way he fought for Data and refused to commit genocide against the Borg, even knowing first hand how menacing they are.
And speaking as a Navy veteran, I'd be more than little nonplussed at being thrown under the bus for something leadership had very clearly set a precedent for more than once, as Trip rightfully pointed out to Archer. Literally the only difference between the Vissisns and every other species Archer thought fit to interfere with is that he and the other Captain became BFFs in quick fashion. Gotta love cronyism.
Hmmm...
*Picard might well have granted Charles asylum, assigned her quarters, and we'd never have seen her again. She joins Jeremy Aster, Barraj (AKA Jean-luc), and Mirasta Yale in Convenient Oblivion.
*Kirk would have basically singlehandedly brought Vissian society crashing in on itself, causing a planetwide cogenitor revolution. Charles would not have had to leave.
*Janeway would have reinterpreted the Prime Directive, refused to return Charles, gotten in a fight with the Vissian ship, fired Voyager's -57th, -58th, -59th, -60th, and -61st photon torpedoes, and sailed off into the stars. At the end of the episode, Charles would have left the ship for some convenient reason. Reset button, you know.
*Freeman would have let her daughter handle it. Mariner's solution would have involved two quarts of Romulan ale, a photon torpedo, and a large and somehow smelly spatial anomaly. It would have worked, but Boimler would have ended the show naked and covered with strawberry jam.
*Not sure what Sisko would have done, but O'Brien would probably have suffered as a result.
* Discovery... how many captains did the show have?
*Picard might well have granted Charles asylum, assigned her quarters, and we'd never have seen her again. She joins Jeremy Aster, Barraj (AKA Jean-luc), and Mirasta Yale in Convenient Oblivion.
*Kirk would have basically singlehandedly brought Vissian society crashing in on itself, causing a planetwide cogenitor revolution. Charles would not have had to leave.
*Janeway would have reinterpreted the Prime Directive, refused to return Charles, gotten in a fight with the Vissian ship, fired Voyager's -57th, -58th, -59th, -60th, and -61st photon torpedoes, and sailed off into the stars. At the end of the episode, Charles would have left the ship for some convenient reason. Reset button, you know.
*Freeman would have let her daughter handle it. Mariner's solution would have involved two quarts of Romulan ale, a photon torpedo, and a large and somehow smelly spatial anomaly. It would have worked, but Boimler would have ended the show naked and covered with strawberry jam.
*Not sure what Sisko would have done, but O'Brien would probably have suffered as a result.
* Discovery... how many captains did the show have?
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Given Sisko's decision in "Cardassians", I'm not sure things would have gone significantly differently in this case.
Heck, if the writers had really wanted to go dark in that episode, they might have had Rugal kill himself rather than leave with his biological father. Which would have been a real shame, because The Never-Ending Sacrifice is a pretty great novel that gives us a great deal of insight into Cardassian society, especially during DS9's run.
Heck, if the writers had really wanted to go dark in that episode, they might have had Rugal kill himself rather than leave with his biological father. Which would have been a real shame, because The Never-Ending Sacrifice is a pretty great novel that gives us a great deal of insight into Cardassian society, especially during DS9's run.
As the captain I don't think we'd seen Archer disobey any orders from his superior officers at this point in the series? Trip disregarded the advice of both Phlox and T'Pol, the latter of whom was his senior officer (and given Trip's established anti-Vulcan bias, one wonders whether his racism might have been a subconscious factor).
Yeah, good point.
Egad, a 12-year-old? I don't think even PIC would go that dark!
What if the child that couple would have had with that progenitor would have grown up to be the galactic savior?
Of course, that means 'Q' would have shown-up and snapped his fingers and changed it all back. And as for Pikard, remember that little planet that the TnG crew visited in the first season - the 'Planet of the misogynists'? Seems like Pikard had no problem cow-towing to an obviously unsavory culture if the Federation needed to be their friends. He was even willing to give up Tasha Yar (she would probably have been better off LOL). Or the time Pikard would NOT interfere with that one (two?) culture's drug problem, even though they had already made contact (doesn't that negate the Prime Directive on some level?) Pikard - like every other captain - CAN break the rules when he sees fit. Crewman cannot. Starfleet has to be responsible for it's captains actions... the crew, not so much. A race can't be responsible for the actions of every single member of its culture, can it? That would lead to LOTS of problems in space. Was Tucker even punished? Or just 'officially reprimanded"? Because that just amounts to some 'stroking' in regards to the other culture's ego (and amounts to nothing, really).
Sisko would have punched them in the nose and then showed them his baseball.
Janeway would have declared war, but only because she suspected the Vissians had coffee they were withholding.
And as I went looking for that species' name, I saw a pic of the Cogenitor, and I can't help but feel like its a call-back to the TnG episode where Riker was 'getting his freak on" with that androgynous person. Maybe Tucker and Riker are related. In the end, we were supposed to feel very sorry for both aliens... what do you guys think was the better outcome? I feel like, in a way, Riker's 'friend' died as well.
Of course, that means 'Q' would have shown-up and snapped his fingers and changed it all back. And as for Pikard, remember that little planet that the TnG crew visited in the first season - the 'Planet of the misogynists'? Seems like Pikard had no problem cow-towing to an obviously unsavory culture if the Federation needed to be their friends. He was even willing to give up Tasha Yar (she would probably have been better off LOL). Or the time Pikard would NOT interfere with that one (two?) culture's drug problem, even though they had already made contact (doesn't that negate the Prime Directive on some level?) Pikard - like every other captain - CAN break the rules when he sees fit. Crewman cannot. Starfleet has to be responsible for it's captains actions... the crew, not so much. A race can't be responsible for the actions of every single member of its culture, can it? That would lead to LOTS of problems in space. Was Tucker even punished? Or just 'officially reprimanded"? Because that just amounts to some 'stroking' in regards to the other culture's ego (and amounts to nothing, really).
Sisko would have punched them in the nose and then showed them his baseball.
Janeway would have declared war, but only because she suspected the Vissians had coffee they were withholding.
And as I went looking for that species' name, I saw a pic of the Cogenitor, and I can't help but feel like its a call-back to the TnG episode where Riker was 'getting his freak on" with that androgynous person. Maybe Tucker and Riker are related. In the end, we were supposed to feel very sorry for both aliens... what do you guys think was the better outcome? I feel like, in a way, Riker's 'friend' died as well.
Geez, that's tough... Soren was utterly subjugated, like Winston Smith in 1984, happily licking the boots of the state that utterly destroyed him. Is that a meaningful way to live? Charles at least had the realization of the true nature of her existence, even if death was the only escape. And, she made those who were subjugating her suffer. Soren was just a good productive little Nazi.
But the fact remains, Charles was dead.
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