most disappointing Trek movie?

[XCV330]

Spock was hurt he couldn't save his friend and grew some roaring rate of emotions. What was he supposed to yell after knowing the person who was responsible????

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God! ??? or an F-Bomb??? Space! ??? An epithet???

Give me a break.

Yelling out "Khan" was the appropriate thing to say after his friend just died.

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he could have done this.

 

[Damian]

I think it is Chris Pine's best work, and I love him in both the death scene and in Pike's death scene.

Yeah, his reaction when Pike was killed was gold. Pike became like a surrogate father and it hit him hard, and that very much came across in the scene. Even Spock's reaction there was pretty good.

And as I noted I loved Admiral Marcus. In a number of ways he did remind me of his Paxton role on "Terra Prime", even though his character had an almost opposite motivation than Marcus. And Scotty was more serious in STID and Beyond.

Really, there is actually a lot I do like about STID. I said before I gave it a B (and 85) so mostly good. And I appreciated that Abrams and co. actually took some complaints to heart. They did listen to the fans in some ways on serious things. I thought STID showed much more maturity from Abrams in the way he made the film. And I really loved the Section 31 angle.

I used to post there too. It got way too negative though.

Yeah, some of the posters there got pretty ugly. trekbbs is much more mature in comparison. We can get heated sometimes, and occasionally a poster needs to be told to reign it in, but by and large we're a pretty well behaved bunch. At the time I used to post there, there was a ton of Berman-hate, which just grated on me after a while. I liked Berman Trek too, not saying there's anything wrong with criticism, we have it here (there are plenty of Berman criticisms here). But it just felt like I was fighting a tsunami wave and it just wears you down after a while. Here it's a bit more balanced. Even some that dislike how Berman ended up admit there was some good Trek under his watch as well. And part of it was they changed their formatting on how their comments posted which I found difficult to follow. So wearing me down and then making it difficult to follow just drove me away, and of course I found trekbbs so it sort of became unnecessary to go there anymore.

For a while I used to go there to check on any news without posting. Trekmovie.com usually is pretty good about getting out news stories. But then as I got more used to using this site I found most of the same stuff appeared here in some fashion as well so it just wasn't as necessary.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Kirk doesn't yell "Khan" when his friend dies in TWOK.

I am talking about ST:ID, please stay focus?

Wow. Quite an interesting mixture of feelings.

Especially when detractors haven't bothered to read the previous posts about the matter of Star Trek: Into Darkness. There was no doubt the team who made ID was giving a nod to TWOK but not plagiarizing it.

 

[DaystromDropout]

I don't even know what a third of those abbreviations are. Why is it so hard to write things out. I chose NEMesis..phew I have to rest now as the "esis" was excruciating on me fingers.

 

[Tuskin38]

I voted Nemesis, but now that I think harder, I'd probably change it to Into Darkness.

I am talking about ST:ID, please stay focus?


Especially when detractors haven't bothered to read the previous posts about the matter of Star Trek: Into Darkness. There was no doubt the team who made ID was giving a nod to TWOK but not plagiarizing it.

They did it poorly.

 

[DaystromDropout]

Oh, your post reminded me of Into Darkness. I was looking for that one and couldn't make it out at first glance. If I could redo it, I would vote that one.

 

[fireproof78]

Especially when detractors haven't bothered to read the previous posts about the matter of Star Trek: Into Darkness. There was no doubt the team who made ID was giving a nod to TWOK but not plagiarizing it.

Everyone will have a different response to it. Whether intentional or not personal feelings will vary, and quoting a popular film is going to invite that comparison.

 

[dupersuper]

I am talking about ST:ID, please stay focus?

...and they were saying the "tribute" didn't even remotely match the film they were "tributing" (I made up a new word!).
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Especially when detractors haven't bothered to read the previous posts about the matter of Star Trek: Into Darkness. There was no doubt the team who made ID was giving a nod to TWOK but not plagiarizing it.

Or read it and disagreed...

 

[STEPhon IT]

Everyone will have a different response to it. Whether intentional or not personal feelings will vary, and quoting a popular film is going to invite that comparison.

It's not the same movie, the state of affairs were different, and the execution was entirely new. Quoting some tidbits was a nod, not to invoke a scene by scene comparison, and still it's one scene I thought was an emulation. Both scenes had an emotional impact but lost it when Kirk revived, it ruined the moment.

 

[fireproof78]

It's not the same movie, the state of affairs were different, and the execution was entirely new. Quoting some tidbits was a nod, not to invoke a scene by scene comparison, and still it's one scene I thought was an emulation. Both scenes had an emotional impact but lost it when Kirk revived, it ruined the moment.

No it's not the same movie but people will respond how they do.

 

[Damian]

It's not the same movie, the state of affairs were different, and the execution was entirely new. Quoting some tidbits was a nod, not to invoke a scene by scene comparison, and still it's one scene I thought was an emulation. Both scenes had an emotional impact but lost it when Kirk revived, it ruined the moment.

Well, some of us simply disagree. Having read Orci's comments when he used to post on trekmovie.com I definitely get the impression he thought it would be 'sooooo cool to have Spock scream Khan a la Kirk in TWOK', but for many it felt flat, or was almost embarrassing. Sort of like when someone has a joke they think is hilarious and then all you hear is crickets because you're the only one it turns out that thought it was funny.

While I wasn't a fan of having Khan in the movie, as I noted, I gave them points for at least telling a different Khan story. But then they almost ruin it by doing that I thought. The rest of that scene I thought was a bit too close to the ending of TWOK (I thought it would be more interesting to have Kirk did by some different method), but I could probably be fine with it for the most part if not for the 'Khan' scream. That colored my vision of the entire scene, in fact almost ruined it I would say.

But hey, I can appreciate someone who goes against the grain . After all, as I always say, I'm one of a select few that liked Star Trek: Nemesis. Also, Star Trek: The Motion Picture (you're welcome Daystrom Dropout ) is my favorite Star Trek film. So I'm not afraid to take up a contrary opinion to the masses. While some of us may disagree with your take on the 'scream,' that doesn't mean you can't like it. I don't let the Nemesis hate get me down.

 

[Coops]

Irrespective of how I felt about all that stuff in STID my man-crush for Karl Urban was fully realised when he delivered, for me, the best line of any modern Trek movie..

"Oh, don't be so melodramatic. You were barely dead"

Brilliant.

 

[plynch]

I am talking about ST:ID, please stay focus?

You asked what else was Spock supposed to yell when his friend died.

My point: in TWOK, in a far better-written scene, Kirk yells . . . nothing when his dear friend dies. He slumps down in sadness. It was, and is, very moving to this viewer.

 

[DonIago]

Pretty much the gold standard for death scenes, at least in Trek, as well. If it's not the most moving, I imagine it's certainly in most top ten lists.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, some of us simply disagree. Having read Orci's comments when he used to post on trekmovie.com I definitely get the impression he thought it would be 'sooooo cool to have Spock scream Khan a la Kirk in TWOK', but for many it felt flat, or was almost embarrassing. Sort of like when someone has a joke they think is hilarious and then all you hear is crickets because you're the only one it turns out that thought it was funny.

While I wasn't a fan of having Khan in the movie, as I noted, I gave them points for at least telling a different Khan story. But then they almost ruin it by doing that I thought. The rest of that scene I thought was a bit too close to the ending of TWOK (I thought it would be more interesting to have Kirk did by some different method), but I could probably be fine with it for the most part if not for the 'Khan' scream. That colored my vision of the entire scene, in fact almost ruined it I would say.

But hey, I can appreciate someone who goes against the grain . After all, as I always say, I'm one of a select few that liked Star Trek: Nemesis. Also, Star Trek: The Motion Picture (you're welcome Daystrom Dropout ) is my favorite Star Trek film. So I'm not afraid to take up a contrary opinion to the masses. While some of us may disagree with your take on the 'scream,' that doesn't mean you can't like it. I don't let the Nemesis hate get me down.

I honestly think it should go without saying but I'll say it anyway; It's OK to like a movie. It's even OK to like a movie other people don't like. My favorite films would likely never be on the top 10 list for most, aside from something like Star Wars. Does it stop me from enjoying it? Nope. To me, the Kelvin films are excellent films and tell me a wonderful story about Kirk growing in to a leader, rather than just assuming he would become the great Captain Kirk.

Others find that Kirk to be so insufferable as to completely ruin the film. Which one is more correct? I don't know that it matters.

 

[Vger23]

But hey, I can appreciate someone who goes against the grain . After all, as I always say, I'm one of a select few that liked Star Trek: Nemesis. Also, Star Trek: The Motion Picture (you're welcome Daystrom Dropout ) is my favorite Star Trek film. So I'm not afraid to take up a contrary opinion to the masses. While some of us may disagree with your take on the 'scream,' that doesn't mean you can't like it. I don't let the Nemesis hate get me down.

I've always said that nobody should listen to me. I liked:

• TOS Season 3
• TNG Seasons 1 and 2
• TFF
• NEM
• ...and the last 2 episodes of PIC

So....I'm an outlier all around when it comes to more conventional Trek tastes.

 

[Damian]

It's OK to like a movie. It's even OK to like a movie other people don't like.

Yeah, I was just trying to make the point that while I may disagree with STEPH about that scene and its impact, that doesn't mean her opinion is any less valid. I respect her opinion about it, and like I said, I've liked and enjoyed things other people didn't like.

I even liked Exorcist II: The Heretic.....for real ...I mean, not as much as The Exorcist of course, but I thought it was a decent movie.

 

[Vger23]

I even liked Exorcist II: The Heretic.....for real ...I mean, not as much as The Exorcist of course, but I thought it was a decent movie.

I'll raise you the fact that I liked "Godfather III"

 

[Damian]

I've always said that nobody should listen to me. I liked:

• TOS Season 3
• TNG Seasons 1 and 2
• TFF
• NEM
• ...and the last 2 episodes of PIC

So....I'm an outlier all around when it comes to more conventional Trek tastes.

I have found on these boards Star Trek V: The Final Frontier does have a devoted legion of fans, warts and all. I guess I haven't kept up on the boards about Picard but did people not like the last 2 episodes of Season 1? My biggest issue was that the Romulan "boyfriend" just seemed to disappear after seeming to help the good guys. I wondered what happened to him and I was actually kind of hoping to see him attempt to make amends in some way.

I liked season 3 of the original series as well. Taken with the right attitude, they are still a lot of fun. I even liked "And the Children Shall Lead" and "Plato's Stepchildren". And I always said for years I thought the Earps were the bad guys at the OK Corral due to "Spectre of the Gun"

 

[plynch]

S3 has as many "good ones" or "likes" for me as other seasons.