I loved them. Sharing Trek with my wife when she didn't like TOS OR TNG. Found some enjoyable parts there. Beautiful.
Those days were nice.
Those days were nice.
most disappointing Trek movie?
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I'm getting into the "I would have done it this way.." trap, but.. I would have preferred if they'd resolved the plot of STID during the stand down between Vengeance and Enterprise. Everything from that point on was kind of pointless and tacked on. Vengeance crashed on San Francisco, because everything in Star Trek must happen in San Francisco, it surely kills thousands but you the viewer don't know, and you are left with no real emotional stake in it. How bad can it be? Outside of the crash zone everyone is going about their lives and the automated trash drones are dronin'.
Kirk gives his life to save the ship, again. no real emotional stake. He's not even going to stay dead long enough for a sequel. Spock shows off the Vulcan martial art of no-defense. Khan is frozen, giving the the ending remarkably a similar ending to The Blob (the original) and technically leaving open the idea for Abrams to reuse I mean remix the plot of Demolition Man for a Star Trek TNG movie, if the idea ever occurs to him, and it will.
I guess those tears I had were fake.
Biggest missed opportunity in Star Trek IV, which came out in 1986: the year after Back to the Future. They should've had the Bird of Prey travel back in time at Warp 8.8 as they were accelerating towards the Sun.
There's a reason why Christopher Lloyd, I mean Kruge, was the previous Commander of that ship.
Such a "disappointment".
There's a reason why Christopher Lloyd, I mean Kruge, was the previous Commander of that ship.
Such a "disappointment".
Agreed. It should be about the human condition, something TVH and TMP did, I'd rather obstacles than James Bond villains in Star Trek movies.
I think you can work with both. Villains also reflect the human condition.
Great Scott!Biggest missed opportunity in Star Trek IV, which came out in 1986: the year after Back to the Future. They should've had the Bird of Prey travel back in time at Warp 8.8 as they were accelerating towards the Sun.
There's a reason why Christopher Lloyd, I mean Kruge, was the previous Commander of that ship.
Such a "disappointment".
Hello everyone!.
I was between STID and NEM.
I finally picked STID, due to many non original aspects.
I wasn't a fan, of the non-movie explanation, for Khan's genetic pigment change.
I honestly, would have gone with the fan idea, of Khan dying, and Joachim taking over.
The "magic blood" was out there.
I liked the Sector 31 aspect of the film.
If they had kept it as a, "who dunnit?", With Admiral Marcus as the only villain, and kept Khan totally out.
The film would have rated higher on my list.
I was between STID and NEM.
I finally picked STID, due to many non original aspects.
I wasn't a fan, of the non-movie explanation, for Khan's genetic pigment change.
I honestly, would have gone with the fan idea, of Khan dying, and Joachim taking over.
The "magic blood" was out there.
I liked the Sector 31 aspect of the film.
If they had kept it as a, "who dunnit?", With Admiral Marcus as the only villain, and kept Khan totally out.
The film would have rated higher on my list.
While I thoroughly enjoy ID I do agree that keeping Khan out would have a good choice.
Yeah, me too. I actually liked STID quite a bit otherwise. I also liked that Abrams took some of the criticisms Star Trek (2009) too heart and made STID a bit less Star Warsy. He also toned down the lens flares and shaky cam. I liked Star Trek (2009) mostly, but I did leave the theater with a serious headache and only saw it once in the theater as a result. Seriously, not every scene required bright flashes and constant camera movement (like dialogue scenes). They were still there in STID but they were less intrusive and more appropriate. And it resulted, I thought, in a cleaner, more polished film.
I really loved the Section 31 angle and Admiral Marcus was a great villain. Scotty was a lot better, he wasn't just the odious comic relief guy, but had more to do (he was even better in Beyond), and McCoy had more to do, and Karl Urban was great as McCoy in all 3 films.
But Khan. Why? Cumberbatch would have been great as John Harrison. I don't think they needed to go there. So it lost me a bit there.
And being the weird guy I am, Beyond was my favorite Abramsverse film. But then TMP is my favorite overall Star Trek film of the 13 and I liked Nemesis.
Because Khan is considered the greatest Star Trek villain of all time. So the writers felt the need to lean in to fan wants.
But, yes, I think John Harrison as Harrison would have been just fine and Marcus was an excellent villain.
Yeah, me too. I actually liked STID quite a bit otherwise. I also liked that Abrams took some of the criticisms Star Trek (2009) too heart and made STID a bit less Star Warsy. He also toned down the lens flares and shaky cam. I liked Star Trek (2009) mostly, but I did leave the theater with a serious headache and only saw it once in the theater as a result. Seriously, not every scene required bright flashes and constant camera movement (like dialogue scenes). They were still there in STID but they were less intrusive and more appropriate. And it resulted, I thought, in a cleaner, more polished film.
I really loved the Section 31 angle and Admiral Marcus was a great villain. Scotty was a lot better, he wasn't just the odious comic relief guy, but had more to do (he was even better in Beyond), and McCoy had more to do, and Karl Urban was great as McCoy in all 3 films.
But Khan. Why? Cumberbatch would have been great as John Harrison. I don't think they needed to go there. So it lost me a bit there.
And being the weird guy I am, Beyond was my favorite Abramsverse film. But then TMP is my favorite overall Star Trek film of the 13 and I liked Nemesis.
Can I admit ST:V is a guilty pleasure on a bad day then?. .
It's far more popular than it's reputation would seem to indicate.
I think it was more than that. Bob Orci had stated TWOK was his favorite film and I think Kurtzman had said he really wanted to do a Khan movie. I actually don't think fan desires even fed all that much into it. Orci and Kurtzman were just itching to do Khan.
I realize I'm sort of answering my own question as to why. I do know why they did it, I just wish they hadn't.
If I can admit I liked Nemesis, then you can like TFF
(I actually liked it myself--while I consider it 13/13 that doesn't mean I hate it, there's still plenty to like)
That's fair, though I think that the popularity of Khan fed that desire.
Gonna say....I feel Admiral Marcus could have carried the films villain role more than he did.
If anything....replace Khan, with Gary Mitchell, but give him a "Winter Soldier" character arc.
Marcus uses Mitchell for his powers, while Kirk is trying to stop and save his friend at the same time. ID came before CA:WS so it wouldn't have been ripping off
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considering nearly every message board and fan site at the time was abuzz with "will we see Khan in the next movie?" "who will play the new Khan?" "oh I hope we don't see a reboot Khan"
positive or negative, it was almost nothing but "Khan, Khan, Khan", there is literally no way the bean counters in Hollywood would allow for there to not be Khan in the film. In fact, I would imagine the corporate suits imposed a demand "if there is no Khan, there will be no film"
positive or negative, it was almost nothing but "Khan, Khan, Khan", there is literally no way the bean counters in Hollywood would allow for there to not be Khan in the film. In fact, I would imagine the corporate suits imposed a demand "if there is no Khan, there will be no film"
CA:WS definitely seemed similar to STID.. maybe Marvel ripped off ST (then ST returned the favour by ripping off Guardians for STB
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I completely agree. However...Gonna say....I feel Admiral Marcus could have carried the films villain role more than he did.
If anything....replace Khan, with Gary Mitchell, but give him a "Winter Soldier" character arc.
Marcus uses Mitchell for his powers, while Kirk is trying to stop and save his friend at the same time. ID came before CA:WS so it wouldn't have been ripping off
This is definitely a feature I saw. I could not pick up a copy of Star Trek magazine without some sort of villain list and Khan was right there. And then there was the buzz around if Khan would show up in the next film, and the rumor mill. Khan simply has a ridiculous amount of staying power in the Trek consciousness that to think studio wasn't aware of that interest and want to take advantage of it.
Ripping off Guardians? ... I don't see it.CA:WS definitely seemed similar to STID.. maybe Marvel ripped off ST (then ST returned the favour by ripping off Guardians for STB