Justice League official "Zack Snyder" cut on HBO Max
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Fascinating.
OK, so I signed back up for HBOMax and am getting ready to start Season 2 of Titans, which has once again reminded me of the fact that darker adaptations of DC comics characters is not a bad thing. I'll try to keep reminding myself of that when I get involved in these conversations. I tend to fall into old habits when I get going, and I really need to work on that.
I have to admit, I'm honestly a little confused by why they still market superhero stuff to kids. The majority of mainstream comics have not been kid friendly in long time, and I don't think any of the movies have had a rating lower than PG-13 in at least as long. I know comics used to be seen as a kiddy thing, but that hasn't been true since at leas the 1970s or '80s.
I have to admit, I'm honestly a little confused by why they still market superhero stuff to kids. The majority of mainstream comics have not been kid friendly in long time, and I don't think any of the movies have had a rating lower than PG-13 in at least as long. I know comics used to be seen as a kiddy thing, but that hasn't been true since at leas the 1970s or '80s.
Of course, just one person's opinion, but nice to hear.
Yeah... Glitch....
It's also not a new thing. Back in the 80s and 90s, they promoted a lot of R-rated properties to kids, including Saturday morning cartoons for Rambo, RoboCop, Police Academy, Conan, and the jim Carrey trifecta of Ace Ventura, The Mask, and Dumb & Dumber.
Or the Transformers cartoon were almost all of the Autobots died, or in G.I Hoe were Duke gets a spear in his heart. It was all on saturday morning in childrens shows
You're talking about Generation X.
Kids today can't even accidentally find porn under their parents bed.
Kids today can't even accidentally find porn under their parents bed.
From the glitch here's what people noticed
-Zack gets credited multiple times at the start, in a very Tommy Wiseau of The Room way.
-There's more from the Knightmare sequence, the corrupt Superman locates the rest of the Leauge (and Mera), and confronts them while Joker looks on laughing.
-'Martha' leaves Lois' apartment and transforms into Martian Manhunter. The CGI looks pretty awful
-There's more from the Knightmare sequence, the corrupt Superman locates the rest of the Leauge (and Mera), and confronts them while Joker looks on laughing.
-'Martha' leaves Lois' apartment and transforms into Martian Manhunter. The CGI looks pretty awful
When was the last movie with flawless CGI? Since Black Panther things seem to have taken a noticeable step down. Did the artists get some human rights or something?
I suspect more of the opposite. Artists being tasked with far more than they can pull off on the time and budget they’re given. I’m a 3d artist and I’ve handed over work I’m not proud of because there just wasn’t the time or money to polish it as much as I’d like.
Movies these days have so many effects shots that it’s kind of insane. Jurassic Park had around 60, given the Snyder Cut’s runtime my guess is that it has around 2000.
Yeah, even Endgame was flawed. Corridor Crew had the lead VFX artist from Weta digital and he pointed out some places where they had to cheat to make the shot work, even though it didn't make physical sense. But their final work was delivered like two days before release.
VFX work is crazy.
VFX work is crazy.
It's a VERY underappreciated area. Remember this "argument" with the Avengers cast members in 2012?
I can't tell if it's a real spat or good acting but here you go
And then a few years later that company that won an Oscar shut down
I can't tell if it's a real spat or good acting but here you go
And then a few years later that company that won an Oscar shut down
Yeah, I have a couple of friends in the VFX industry and it was always a dice roll in terms of work. No real stability to it. And then there was the expectation that they could just work magic in the computer to make the shots that the director wanted actually work. One of my friends noted a cheat in the Avengers where Iron Man's armor unpacks from a deployable canister. He stated that the physics of it were probably way too complex so they just show it start to unpack around Tony and then in the next shot it's all the way on.
It's frustrating how much films depend on these artists and yet there is no certainty for them in the industry.
It's frustrating how much films depend on these artists and yet there is no certainty for them in the industry.
When the new Steppenwolf design was revealed, a former Framestore artist tweeted out that he guarantees every modeler who had to work on it hates the design. So often in modern VFX, they don't take the artists into consideration. It's just, "Oh, add a ton of spikes to this thing and have them move individually. It's all in the computer so it's not gonna be hard." I deal with this a lot when I labor all day to get an image done and then the client goes, "Actually, can you just quickly change half the model?"
Apparently it's 2,650 new visual effects within seven months, according to some articles.
It's an interesting idea for a deconstruction of Superman. But in order to deconstruct something, it first needs to be... welll... constructed. And without a solid modern Superman movie with a more traditional interpretation to contrast against, it makes Snyder's deconstruction seem a bit mean-spirited. Also, it feels kinda too-little-too-late given that he seemed to completely miss the deconstructionist elements of Watchmen, which (in comic form) is the definitive deconstruction of superhero tropes.
While the villains in Psycho and The Silence of the Lambs may be the more interesting characters, it's worth noting that they are still the villains of the story. There are still protagonists trying to bring the criminals to justice, whether they're successful or not.
There's no real moral protagonist in A Clockwork Orange but that's different because it's a satire.
I'm not against making movies about criminals, even movies that romanticize them a little bit, like The Godfather or other gangster movies. But even those movies still possess some kind of morality, even if it's a twisted one that shouldn't be applied to the real world. But Joker doesn't offer anything like that. It's 2 hours of profound ugliness punctuated by the nihilistic catharsis of cold blooded murder.
I can't really speak to the Fast & Furious movies. I've only seen half of them and, realizing that I don't remember any of them, I guess I really do literally turn off my brain while watching them. Huh.
As for Pirates of the Caribbean, those pirates are fairly toothless. With only a few exceptions, they're nowhere near the levels of moral reprehensibility of the real pirates of that era. But more importantly for my argument, they still make sure that the pirates in those movies are fighting for a good cause, either against an evil authority like the East India Trading Co. or against other people that are far worse.
I'd recommend seeing it before trying to defend it. There's an argument in the movie somewhere about the social issues that you're describing but it gets buried by the fact that our main protagonist is a murderous psychopath who is far worse than the society that he rails against. Gotham didn't make the Joker crazy. It may have turned a harmless crazy person into a murderous crazy person. But I'm not sure what the solution is supposed to be besides pumping him full of drugs that would make him near-catatonic. But in the midst of all of the injustices of Gotham, the movie can't come up with a better answer than: Kill people because you're mad.
I don't know where the alleged nihilism is in Michael Bay's movies but Joker is absolutely swimming in it.
That sounds like harassment to me.
It's one thing when you take an R-rated movie and then create a sanitized cartoon version. But it's even more bizarre when they take R-rated movies that don't have a cartoon and give them a kids toy line anyway (i.e. Aliens and Terminator 2).
BTW, the 3 Jim Carrey movies that you mentioned were all rated PG-13. And the maturity level of their humor is squarely for 11-year-olds.
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