CW The Flash Season 7 trailer!
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During the 1st season the Producers often said they did not want to presume this show would have a long run and hold back ideas. So they pushed many of their best ideas right away. Specifically I interpreted that to mean everything to involve the mystery of the Reverse Flash and Harrison Wells. I think the negative side effect is they have tried to recapture that with 2nd string Speedster villains and other minor league season long Bad guys. I do not care if those other evil speedsters are from the comics. Even in the comics all those characters are poor retreads of Eobard Thawne.
Regardless if this show has one more season or many more I hope they go back to that early mindset. That they can not presume to have time to save their best ideas for later.
Call it fan service, call it whatever - they show has created a mythos is that has rarely been developed. Most of its mythology is bouncing from one big bad to the next. Not exploring ideas.
Number 1 to me - why and how did Eobard Thawne become Reverse Flash in his future. Also Barry himself in the future builds Gideon.
We never got a true Rogues Teamup story.
I have not watched it yet but a few weeks ago a online Zoom reunion was done with John Wesley Shipp, Amanda Pays and producer Danny Bilson. Bilson said he pitched to the CW a story in which Grant’s character travels to Earth 90 to preform some type of investigation involving the original cast. The CW turned him down..,
No words...
They can not assume they have all the time in the world to get to these things.
Regardless if this show has one more season or many more I hope they go back to that early mindset. That they can not presume to have time to save their best ideas for later.
Call it fan service, call it whatever - they show has created a mythos is that has rarely been developed. Most of its mythology is bouncing from one big bad to the next. Not exploring ideas.
Number 1 to me - why and how did Eobard Thawne become Reverse Flash in his future. Also Barry himself in the future builds Gideon.
We never got a true Rogues Teamup story.
I have not watched it yet but a few weeks ago a online Zoom reunion was done with John Wesley Shipp, Amanda Pays and producer Danny Bilson. Bilson said he pitched to the CW a story in which Grant’s character travels to Earth 90 to preform some type of investigation involving the original cast. The CW turned him down..,
No words...
They can not assume they have all the time in the world to get to these things.
Yeah, they took too long to do a non-speedster Big Bad.
What I wanted to see was a whole season about the Rogues, with all of them taking on the Flash variously and the team gradually realizing there was a single mastermind behind them all, who would turn out to be Grodd. It would've been a good way to have a non-speedster archvillain be a major threat to the Flash, and having Grodd be mostly an unseen eminence grise would've helped save on CGI costs.
They eventually did a similar structure with the Thinker, but it wasn't quite the same.
That would've been fun. Though I guess the window for that has closed now.
Pros and Cons I can never be too unhappy with this show. Still my favorite cast of all the Arrowverse shows. Gave me, who watched the first series at 12 years old in 1990, things I never expected to see.
Most of all this show debuted a month before my Dad died from Cancer. That morning I got the call from my Mom was same day it was announced Amanda Pays was returning as Tina. But the topper was around that time I sent a personal message to John thanking him for his participation on the new show at a time I really needed something to look forward too. I had no expectations that he would ever see it or respond. Yet a few months later he sent a condolence message over my Dad’s death and apologized for taking so to do so. Everything since involving him on these shows are unexpected bonuses. Wonderful bonuses and they keep coming.
Most of all this show debuted a month before my Dad died from Cancer. That morning I got the call from my Mom was same day it was announced Amanda Pays was returning as Tina. But the topper was around that time I sent a personal message to John thanking him for his participation on the new show at a time I really needed something to look forward too. I had no expectations that he would ever see it or respond. Yet a few months later he sent a condolence message over my Dad’s death and apologized for taking so to do so. Everything since involving him on these shows are unexpected bonuses. Wonderful bonuses and they keep coming.
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Here is that online Flash 90 Reunion. I finally watched it myself. Totally worth a watch to any fans of that show. It’s clear Danny Bilson is a little pissed he never was allowed to write for the current show. He mentions visiting the writers room. I remember sharing that story a few years ago. Sounds like he was promised it was going to happen and than producers changed. Infamously Andrew Kriesberg who was fired. Who is briefly mentioned. John told Danny to pitch it again, show is not over yet! Sure his character died in Crisis but almost everyone died. Only to return in reset Multiverse. I am not holding my breath but you never know.
Most curious to me was Amanda had no idea they used footage of her in Crisis. Presumably she got a check she did not know what it was for.
Watching that and the comments of trying to make a movie every week reminds me of my other favorite show of the time - Quantum Leap. Not just in terms of budget but experimenting with new ideas every week.
I admit I am going to sound like an old man, I will be 43 this summer! LOL
The current tv model of ongoing storytelling and character development is supposed to be superior to old stand alone episodes. But I do not see it. You lose that ability to experiment with new ideas each episode. Now they stick with an idea a whole season and are stuck with it. Even if the writers likely discover a plot is not as strong as they first hoped. Also if a character was given a poor storyline or written out of character it was easy to move on and never mention it again. Now with the expectations of continuity you have to spend episodes just for writing character rehabilitation or correction.
Here is that online Flash 90 Reunion. I finally watched it myself. Totally worth a watch to any fans of that show. It’s clear Danny Bilson is a little pissed he never was allowed to write for the current show. He mentions visiting the writers room. I remember sharing that story a few years ago. Sounds like he was promised it was going to happen and than producers changed. Infamously Andrew Kriesberg who was fired. Who is briefly mentioned. John told Danny to pitch it again, show is not over yet! Sure his character died in Crisis but almost everyone died. Only to return in reset Multiverse. I am not holding my breath but you never know.
Most curious to me was Amanda had no idea they used footage of her in Crisis. Presumably she got a check she did not know what it was for.
Watching that and the comments of trying to make a movie every week reminds me of my other favorite show of the time - Quantum Leap. Not just in terms of budget but experimenting with new ideas every week.
I admit I am going to sound like an old man, I will be 43 this summer! LOL
The current tv model of ongoing storytelling and character development is supposed to be superior to old stand alone episodes. But I do not see it. You lose that ability to experiment with new ideas each episode. Now they stick with an idea a whole season and are stuck with it. Even if the writers likely discover a plot is not as strong as they first hoped. Also if a character was given a poor storyline or written out of character it was easy to move on and never mention it again. Now with the expectations of continuity you have to spend episodes just for writing character rehabilitation or correction.
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Day 1 of S7 shooting
Grant shows up for work
Costume Department: you gotta be shittin‘ us!
It was always my head cannon that when Barry disappeared in 2024 during Crisis, that he reappeared a hundred years in the future and set down roots, meeting Thawne, Abracadabra and others.
Thawn said that his negative speed force protects him from temporal revision and paradoxes.
In the original timeline, Barry doesn't become the Flash until 2020, so Eddie probably married Iris, and that means that Iris is also Thawne's ancestor too.
Getting Eddie to kill himself didn't kill "our" Thawne, who was protected by the Negative Speedforce, so he was basically a time remnant, but it stopped more original Thawnes from the future inventing the negative speed force and cluttering up the past.
If the future where Barry met Thawne cannot exist, where the frakk did Abracadabra come from? Unless he arrived in the past before Thawne derailed it and killed the magician's personal history.
Is Arrowverse Captain Boomerang dead?
Yup.
Oh, Crisis.
Captain Boomerang was the only other thing that Suicide Squad did right.
Was there a scene where they mentioned Ralph? It's on the Youtube TV DVR so I can go back and check, but I didn't hear Ralph's name at all.
Coming into this episode, I wasn't sure if I was even going to watch it. Coming out of this episode, I feel like it's an end of an era and I'm still hesitant to watch the entire season. I probably will because I am trying to be a completist on this series, but with no Cisco, no Caitlin and Wells dying leading to maybe not Cavanagh (Even though I did see Wallace say he's still part of the show) it feels like a new incarnation of the Flash. I actually compare it to Doctor Who, how you have the doctor and that regular cast, but when the Doctor changes it's a new cast and it just feels like a never ending series. There were a few things I didn't really enjoy about this episode, namely the stuff with Cecile and the scene with Gustin as the various Wells were fun but a little corny. Gustin was pretty good trying to imitate Wells imitating the various other Wells' we've seen, kind of the Orphan Black effect there. However, the personal conflict Nash was going through leading up to the end was sensational, and saved this episode for me. Gustin and Cavanagh gave it their all in that final scene and it made the entire episode worth it.
I just wish we had seen Cisco or Caitlin or there was a more obvious Ralph mention. I can't help but feel like this episode was a passing of the torch between Caitlin and Cisco to Allegra and Chester and as someone who has been with the show since post season 1 (I watched that season during the summer), That is a little sad to think about.
Coming into this episode, I wasn't sure if I was even going to watch it. Coming out of this episode, I feel like it's an end of an era and I'm still hesitant to watch the entire season. I probably will because I am trying to be a completist on this series, but with no Cisco, no Caitlin and Wells dying leading to maybe not Cavanagh (Even though I did see Wallace say he's still part of the show) it feels like a new incarnation of the Flash. I actually compare it to Doctor Who, how you have the doctor and that regular cast, but when the Doctor changes it's a new cast and it just feels like a never ending series. There were a few things I didn't really enjoy about this episode, namely the stuff with Cecile and the scene with Gustin as the various Wells were fun but a little corny. Gustin was pretty good trying to imitate Wells imitating the various other Wells' we've seen, kind of the Orphan Black effect there. However, the personal conflict Nash was going through leading up to the end was sensational, and saved this episode for me. Gustin and Cavanagh gave it their all in that final scene and it made the entire episode worth it.
I just wish we had seen Cisco or Caitlin or there was a more obvious Ralph mention. I can't help but feel like this episode was a passing of the torch between Caitlin and Cisco to Allegra and Chester and as someone who has been with the show since post season 1 (I watched that season during the summer), That is a little sad to think about.
We were told Ralph and Sue were laying low because she is wanted for murder. This was actually the last episode filmed last season before shutdown. They held it back because they did think it would be a good (unplanned) finale. One of the producers said that only 20% percent of their previous plans to end this storyline changed due to Hartley Sawyer being fired. So that is this episode plus the next two that where unfilmed before shutdown. Not clear is this episode was edited in away different than filmed.
No one is leaving the show but Hartley Sawyer. Both Caitlin and Cisco are returning. Caitlin’s role had been reduced to Danelle’s pregnancy. She specifically posted herself tonight that these first episodes wrap up last season. The long delay in production probably means her return to the show was speed up. Their absence was likely one of the reasons this did not air as last episode of previous season.
Oh and the Producers are not hiding that Tom Cavanagh is coming back. They were quoted to confirm that tonight. Apparently as Wells but are not explaining yet how that is possible. My own speculation - that might be how they learn finally that the Multiverse was not destroyed.
No one is leaving the show but Hartley Sawyer. Both Caitlin and Cisco are returning. Caitlin’s role had been reduced to Danelle’s pregnancy. She specifically posted herself tonight that these first episodes wrap up last season. The long delay in production probably means her return to the show was speed up. Their absence was likely one of the reasons this did not air as last episode of previous season.
Oh and the Producers are not hiding that Tom Cavanagh is coming back. They were quoted to confirm that tonight. Apparently as Wells but are not explaining yet how that is possible. My own speculation - that might be how they learn finally that the Multiverse was not destroyed.
I really liked the premiere episode. I will put my specific thoughts in a spoiler quote since this is not an open spoiler thread.
Anyone notice that Barry Allen got an upgrade to his suit? His face mask now materializes out of thin air like the Iron Man nanite suit. I think that is new. I imagine the producers did this to avoid the awkward camera cuts to put the mask on. And I think Grant did not like the old face mask. This way, the actor does not have to wear the uncomfortable mask anymore and they can just CGI the mask on. Although I have to say, I find the "magic nanites" think a bit cliche now. It seems every superhero show now resorts to the "magic nanites" that can just materialize anything out of nothing.
I did like Barry Allen with all the Wells inside. Grant did a good job impersonating the different Wells. It was a good comedic moment.
Barry finally gets his speed back! Yes! That was a great scene. Nash Wells sacrificing himself was an incredibly touching scene. I won't lie, I got the feels when Wells said "I will always be your friend" in French. And then we get the exciting moment of Flash getting his powers back and running full speed and saving the city. Good stuff! And I liked Barry giving the inspirational speech, "we are going to get the team back!"
Minor nitpick: the writers should have upped the number of potential casualties if the plane had exploded. Hundreds seems kinda low.
Big reveal in the post credit scene: Eva is a mirror duplicate and the original Eva actually died. It will be interesting to see what that leads to.
I did like Barry Allen with all the Wells inside. Grant did a good job impersonating the different Wells. It was a good comedic moment.
Barry finally gets his speed back! Yes! That was a great scene. Nash Wells sacrificing himself was an incredibly touching scene. I won't lie, I got the feels when Wells said "I will always be your friend" in French. And then we get the exciting moment of Flash getting his powers back and running full speed and saving the city. Good stuff! And I liked Barry giving the inspirational speech, "we are going to get the team back!"
Minor nitpick: the writers should have upped the number of potential casualties if the plane had exploded. Hundreds seems kinda low.
Big reveal in the post credit scene: Eva is a mirror duplicate and the original Eva actually died. It will be interesting to see what that leads to.
So is this "trailer" thread going to be the season discussion thread now? Maybe it needs a new title and a spoiler tag?
I think they made a good call holding this episode back to be the premiere. It feels like a resolution of a cliffhanger with Barry's speed, and it feels like the start of an arc about getting the band back together. Plus it redefines what we thought we knew about Eva -- and not to mention about the original Mirror Master, who's been retconned not to be the original after all.
As for the Wellseses, I expect that Barry may be seeing them as hallucinations the way Nash was seeing the others. Maybe there's even a way to tap Gideon into the Artificial Speed Force gizmo and have holo-Wellses.
I dunno, there was just that news report the other day about the plane whose engine blew up after takeoff and shed parts into a suburban neighborhood, and nobody was hurt. The odds of anyone on the ground being killed by debris from a plane exploding in midair are extremely low, even if it happens over a crowded city. Presumably the danger was from the Black Hole tech aboard the plane and the weird energies or toxins that might've been unleashed, but since that's fantasy science, the potential death toll is arbitrary and can be whatever the writers want.
I think they made a good call holding this episode back to be the premiere. It feels like a resolution of a cliffhanger with Barry's speed, and it feels like the start of an arc about getting the band back together. Plus it redefines what we thought we knew about Eva -- and not to mention about the original Mirror Master, who's been retconned not to be the original after all.
As for the Wellseses, I expect that Barry may be seeing them as hallucinations the way Nash was seeing the others. Maybe there's even a way to tap Gideon into the Artificial Speed Force gizmo and have holo-Wellses.
I dunno, there was just that news report the other day about the plane whose engine blew up after takeoff and shed parts into a suburban neighborhood, and nobody was hurt. The odds of anyone on the ground being killed by debris from a plane exploding in midair are extremely low, even if it happens over a crowded city. Presumably the danger was from the Black Hole tech aboard the plane and the weird energies or toxins that might've been unleashed, but since that's fantasy science, the potential death toll is arbitrary and can be whatever the writers want.
I thought that the premiere was pretty good.
This season is off to a decent start, hopefully it ends the Mirror Master plot quickly and moves on to better things with the overarching plot.
I'm really going to miss Wells, though, he's always my favorite character (although Nash was probably my least favorite Wells). With Cisco and caitlin now apparently being occasional guest characters at best, and Wells gone, the supporting cast on Flash is pretty weak. iris has always been mediocre at best, and this Mirror Master storyline really just needs to end. The two newbies are so lame that I can't even remember their names. Joe is good and Cecile is fine, but I really miss the old cast dynamic.
But, hey, at least shitty Elongated Man is gone, and never coming back (at least not in the form he used to be in).
Overall I liked the episode, although Grant Gustin's acting ability is nowhere near the level it needs to be to play the various Wells. It was interesting to see Mirror master learn that she is a mirror duplicate, although I doubt it will effect the character very much.
But, hey, at least shitty Elongated Man is gone, and never coming back (at least not in the form he used to be in).
Overall I liked the episode, although Grant Gustin's acting ability is nowhere near the level it needs to be to play the various Wells. It was interesting to see Mirror master learn that she is a mirror duplicate, although I doubt it will effect the character very much.
This season is off to a decent start, hopefully it ends the Mirror Master plot quickly and moves on to better things with the overarching plot.
And yet when there's a plane about to blow up over the city and the Flash can't help, they don't try calling either of the Super-cousins to see if they can spare a few minutes.
Still, at least this show is acknowledging Superman as part of the Arrowverse, which is more than Superman & Lois has done so far.
I thought he looked a bit "fuller", I thought maybe from getting a little older.
The episode was almost a little melancholy with all the new faces and lack of the team we know.
I had a strange daydream of a thought when Wells disappeared that maybe his and Black Lightning's Jenn's particles might find each other and intertwine into some crazy gestalt.
He went from Flash body to Green Arrow body.
It's a new show trying to find it's legs. I think adding a ton of Arrowverse references and Kara cameo's would detract new viewers who haven't caught up with the Arrowverse.
I'm not talking about the lack of references, but the surprising lack of basic consistency, like in the design of the Fortress of Solitude (which we have seen post-Crisis in Supergirl) or Kryptonian space pods/technology. What's weird is that it would've been easier to reuse the props, digital assets, etc., but instead they started from scratch. Not to mention changing Sam Lane, Morgan Edge, and even Superman's theme music. I'm not asking it to go out of its way to reference the Arrowverse, but it seems to be going out of its way to conflict with it.
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