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CW The Flash Season 7 trailer!

I dunno, there was just that news report the other day about the plane whose engine blew up after takeoff and shed parts into a suburban neighborhood, and nobody was hurt. The odds of anyone on the ground being killed by debris from a plane exploding in midair are extremely low, even if it happens over a crowded city. Presumably the danger was from the Black Hole tech aboard the plane and the weird energies or toxins that might've been unleashed, but since that's fantasy science, the potential death toll is arbitrary and can be whatever the writers want.

Yeah, I was thinking of the Black Hole tech. If there was some type of exotic "fusion reactor" or something that could explode then I could see it killing more people than just a few hundred.

I agree the death toll can be arbitrary, I just thought it should be higher.
 
If there was some type of exotic "fusion reactor" or something that could explode then I could see it killing more people than just a few hundred.

I'd point out that it's impossible for a fusion reactor to explode (heck, it's hard enough even getting one to sustain a reaction), but that ship has probably already sailed in the Arrowverse by now, and you put it in quotes anyway.


I agree the death toll can be arbitrary, I just thought it should be higher.

A few hundred deaths is quite enough to worry about. It's refreshing when it isn't the fate of the whole city or the whole world at stake every week.

Besides, it was night, so the city was probably less crowded anyway.
 
I'm not talking about the lack of references, but the surprising lack of basic consistency, like in the design of the Fortress of Solitude (which we have seen post-Crisis in Supergirl) or Kryptonian space pods/technology. What's weird is that it would've been easier to reuse the props, digital assets, etc., but instead they started from scratch. Not to mention changing Sam Lane, Morgan Edge, and even Superman's theme music. I'm not asking it to go out of its way to reference the Arrowverse, but it seems to be going out of its way to conflict with it.
Just think of it this way:

Once Kara embraced and became Supergirl; she and Kal El created separate entrances, and because Kara had actually lived part of her life on Krypton before the explosion of the planet, she also created another area that is more natively Kryptonian in form and function. ;)
 
Once Kara embraced and became Supergirl; she and Kal El created separate entrances, and because Kara had actually lived part of her life on Krypton before the explosion of the planet, she also created another area that is more natively Kryptonian in form and function. ;)

That doesn't work, since the Fortress set was introduced early on in SG as Superman's pre-existing Fortress that Kara was borrowing. The giant ice sculptures of Jor-El and Lara were prominent features of it from the beginning. So it was always meant to be Clark's creation. And they used the same set and digital background for it post-Crisis.

I could buy that maybe Superman built a smaller original Fortress before the bigger one, and he's gone back to using the old one now so Supergirl can have the bigger one. He's generous that way.
 
I quite enjoyed the episode which surprised me. That said I honestly don't remember anything about the two new characters and don't care about them at all. The ending with Wells would have been much more satisfying with Caitlin/Cisco/Ralph. They were all sorely missed.
 
I quite enjoyed the episode which surprised me. That said I honestly don't remember anything about the two new characters and don't care about them at all. The ending with Wells would have been much more satisfying with Caitlin/Cisco/Ralph. They were all sorely missed.

It was good that Allegra was there, since she's his daughter-ganger or whatever, so she's the one most directly connected to Nash.

It would've been nice to have Cisco there, sure, but I think it works the way it was. Barry has progressively lost almost everyone now, with Wells (of one sort or another) being the last remaining stalwart of Team Flash, and then he loses Wells too (all of them). So now he's at his most alone, and that's an effective point to start the journey of reuniting the team and his family.
 
That doesn't work, since the Fortress set was introduced early on in SG as Superman's pre-existing Fortress that Kara was borrowing. The giant ice sculptures of Jor-El and Lara were prominent features of it from the beginning. So it was always meant to be Clark's creation. And they used the same set and digital background for it post-Crisis.

I could buy that maybe Superman built a smaller original Fortress before the bigger one, and he's gone back to using the old one now so Supergirl can have the bigger one. He's generous that way.

Sorry to stay a little off-topic, but have we ever seen the Fortress on Supergirl after Crisis? According to the Arrowverse wiki, it was last seen onscreen the episode prior to Crisis. If it hasn't, than the new design is how it has always looked on Earth-Prime, no continuity error. I guess we will have to see what the Fortress looks like in the final season of SG, assuming it is even used.
 
I’m liking this new Flash. Shame it won’t last. :)
The ending was a big WTF. I wonder how they will react with Earth 1 Wells coming back from the dead. Certainly doesn’t look like a Crisis change
 
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That was the best episode of The Flash since probably before Crisis. It's been so long since I've seen these older episodes, but tonight was really that feeling of the show I remember loving a lot when it first aired. Having Cisco and Frost back really helped, and that scene between Flash and Frost was incredible. That ending moment was a WTF moment though. Looking forward to next week.
 
That was the best episode of The Flash since probably before Crisis. It's been so long since I've seen these older episodes, but tonight was really that feeling of the show I remember loving a lot when it first aired. Having Cisco and Frost back really helped, and that scene between Flash and Frost was incredible. That ending moment was a WTF moment though. Looking forward to next week.

Yeah. The new season is off to a great start. This episode was amazing, one of the best episode of the entire series IMO. It seems the writers are going back to what makes the show work: the chemistry between the characters, Cisco and Frost back, heart-felt moments, but also lots of exciting superhero action. I loved the fight between speedster Frost and the Flash. The episode was also just plain exciting with lots of developments and WTF moments. This episode definitely hooked me and makes me want to watch the rest of the season.

Is it me or did the Flash basically become like the Thinker, super intelligent but arrogant? Grant Gustin did a great job portraying a completely emotionless, logical being.

I am still puzzled by the post credit scene. It seemed like we were seeing when Thawn killed Thawn and took his place before season 1 but then we see a speedster (Flash?) rob his grave and magic particles recreate Wells. So did the Flash go back in time and use the multiverse particles to recreate Wells?
 
I didn't care for this one. I'm so sick of the stereotype that more intellect equals less emotion. Not only is it a really, really hackneyed and lazy cliche that's been overused for decades, but it's simply not how the mind works, and it's a hurtful stereotype of gifted and neurodivergent people. Being smart doesn't make you care less about other people and their feelings. I've always thought it makes you care more, because it makes it easier to imagine other people's points of view and understand their needs. If you look at the world around us, you find that the people who have the least compassion -- e.g. people who embrace bigotry or refuse to wear masks or get vaccinated to protect others -- are generally not all that smart.

They tried to handwave it as a side effect of the Artificial Speed Force rather than an automatic consequence of superior intellect, but it still hit all the lazy, cookie-cutter beats of the cliche, right down to the really stupid trope that supergeniuses would somehow forget how to use contractions. How is it intelligent to avoid contractions? It just wastes time and energy.

Speedster Frost vs. the Flash was cool, though. As was seeing the shrine to lost heroes that was implicitly the beginning of the Flash Museum. Although I didn't get the bit about the names being nano-etched so they'd survive timeline shifts. That doesn't make sense. If the timeline changes so they never existed, nobody would've etched their names there in the first place.


I am still puzzled by the post credit scene. It seemed like we were seeing when Thawn killed Thawn and took his place before season 1 but then we see a speedster (Flash?) rob his grave and magic particles recreate Wells. So did the Flash go back in time and use the multiverse particles to recreate Wells?

The speed lightning was red, therefore it was Thawne's. That was still in the flashback, Thawne speed-burying the real Wells after killing him. It was unclear whether there was a time jump between that and Wells's resurrection.
 
I didn't care for this one. I'm so sick of the stereotype that more intellect equals less emotion. Not only is it a really, really hackneyed and lazy cliche that's been overused for decades, but it's simply not how the mind works, and it's a hurtful stereotype of gifted and neurodivergent people. Being smart doesn't make you care less about other people and their feelings. I've always thought it makes you care more, because it makes it easier to imagine other people's points of view and understand their needs. If you look at the world around us, you find that the people who have the least compassion -- e.g. people who embrace bigotry or refuse to wear masks or get vaccinated to protect others -- are generally not all that smart.

They tried to handwave it as a side effect of the Artificial Speed Force rather than an automatic consequence of superior intellect, but it still hit all the lazy, cookie-cutter beats of the cliche, right down to the really stupid trope that supergeniuses would somehow forget how to use contractions. How is it intelligent to avoid contractions? It just wastes time and energy.

Speedster Frost vs. the Flash was cool, though. As was seeing the shrine to lost heroes that was implicitly the beginning of the Flash Museum. Although I didn't get the bit about the names being nano-etched so they'd survive timeline shifts. That doesn't make sense. If the timeline changes so they never existed, nobody would've etched their names there in the first place.

I think the writers wanted Barry to be emotionless and more calculating because they wanted to set up a reason for the confrontation between Barry and the Team and Barry rescuing Iris but stranding the others. So they came up with the ASF explanation. The episode had a lot of nonsense technobabble. it's not going to make sense.

The speed lightning was red, therefore it was Thawne's. That was still in the flashback, Thawne speed-burying the real Wells after killing him. It was unclear whether there was a time jump between that and Wells's resurrection.

Thanks.

I do think it will be interesting to see Wells-1. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think we really got to see Wells-1 on the show. We saw Thawne masquerading as Wells-1 in Season 1. We saw Wells-2 and the Council of Wells. I don't think we ever got to see the original Wells. That might be cool to see.
 
I think the writers wanted Barry to be emotionless and more calculating because they wanted to set up a reason for the confrontation between Barry and the Team and Barry rescuing Iris but stranding the others. So they came up with the ASF explanation. The episode had a lot of nonsense technobabble. it's not going to make sense.

It's not about whether it makes sense. That is not the only factor that matters in a story. The problem is that it's a lazy cliche and an illegitimate stereotype. It's been done a million times before and this brought nothing new to it, just recycled the same hoary, predictable beats of the cliche.
 
I am so sick of the Mirror Master plot. I'm sick of Iris getting so much focus, I'm sick of the main story spinning its wheels, and I just want the next villain already. I was glad to see Frost and Cisco, but now Barry is going to be powerless AGAIN, and you know they're going to draw out fixing the artificial speedforce for at least the next episode.

I'm glad we're potentially getting a Wells return, but even then if its OG Wells we'll probably get episodes of him taking back Star Labs and kicking Barry out, until he learns to not be a prick and work with team Flash, and more inter cast drama is literally the last fucking thing that the show needs.

I desperately hope that the Mirror Master plot is done by episode 3 or 4, and doesn't get stretched to half the damn season. Its been tedious since last season, and I'm ready for the show to just move on. It hasn't gotten as bad as Season 4 yet, that shit was so bad that I dropped the entire show until Season 5 brought me back, but its still pretty bad and seems to want to stretch it out more.
 
Wells we'll probably get episodes of him taking back Star Labs and kicking Barry out,
Why would Earth-Prime Wells do that? He, like his Earth-1 counterpart, was killed by Thawne
before the place was even built.


until he learns to not be a prick and work with team Flash, .
We saw the Earth-1 Wells, which the Earth-Prime one is more or less a duplicate of, before Thawne killed him and he wasn't a prick.


and more inter cast drama is literally the last fucking thing that the show needs.
More likely we'll have Wells attempting to cope with everything that's happened. Like him being killed, his wife being killed, his murderer running around pretending to be him, everything being wiped from existence, everything being recreated, and his resurrection.
 
Barry went full Sheldon. That scene where they all didn’t pick Iris was so cold. It felt like they were acting like the fans there. :)
 
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