Neither filmmaker appeals to me.
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Well, FWIW, neither has any business anywhere near Superman.
There is a certain level of satire in Verhoeven's work that I suspect wouldn't interest Snyder. Though they feel similar since they both make movies with a sort of misanthropic vibe. It's just that Snyder's movies seem to be sincerely like that whereas Verhoeven is mocking the worlds that he creates.
What I find kinda confusing about Snyder is that he's obviously very thoughtful and articulate; so why do his movies feel like the scribblings of an angry 15-year-old?
Maybe that's just a style that he likes? I don't hold that against him. I think that there's a place for that style in the world. I wouldn't want a slew of Snyder copycats out there. That would get tedious real fast. But I like having one Zack Snyder out there that I can watch when the mood strikes me.
You're probably right about that. Snyder's edginess is perfect for Batman but kinda fundamentally misses the point of Superman. I kinda find it hilarious that, while Snyder's Watchmen completely missed the point, he seems to be actually exploring some of those themes in his Superman movies.
What I find kinda confusing about Snyder is that he's obviously very thoughtful and articulate; so why do his movies feel like the scribblings of an angry 15-year-old?
Maybe that's just a style that he likes? I don't hold that against him. I think that there's a place for that style in the world. I wouldn't want a slew of Snyder copycats out there. That would get tedious real fast. But I like having one Zack Snyder out there that I can watch when the mood strikes me.
You're probably right about that. Snyder's edginess is perfect for Batman but kinda fundamentally misses the point of Superman. I kinda find it hilarious that, while Snyder's Watchmen completely missed the point, he seems to be actually exploring some of those themes in his Superman movies.
Probably not.
Honestly, I think Watchmen is Snyder's only kind of decent film. I actually loathe the Watchmen comic, I think its horrendously overrated and one of Alan Moore's worst comics, but I didn't mind Snyder's film (outside of the length). Its not good, but it kept my attention much better then the comic (probably because of the added action scenes , ack of pointless text pages that the comic had, and a better ending).
Watchmen felt like the kind of comicbook movie that fits with Snyder, its all grimdark edge that thinks its "about something" but its mostly just grim bullshit that at least fits Snyder's style/aesthetic more naturally.
The most obvious is that Snyder frames it solely in terms of Bruce having a dilemma rather than in terms of how Lois feels or what Lois's choices are. The way Snyder talks of it, it's as though Lois is a piece of property that used to belong to Clark and which Bruce will have to give back if Clark is resurrected. Lois's agency is totally ignored in the way Snyder talks about the concept. Which is typical for the misogynistic ways Snyder depicts women in his films.
I strongly disagree. Verhoeven's satire comes from a progressive point of view, but the politics of Snyder's films are consistently reactionary. They're as different from each other as Alan Moore and Frank Miller, and their underlying sensibilities would not mesh well.
Can't remember if they went on date or were just friends but think it was the later.
Just remember it being interesting that Lois knew Bruce was Batman but didn't know Clarke Was Superman.
I disagree. I'm usually loath to go along with the popular consensus but I think that Watchmen deserves most of the praise that it gets. I really like the world-building that went into the text pages, especially the excerpts from Hollis Mason's autobiography. They don't really have anything to do with the overall story but they're a great read and my favorite part.
I sort of agree with you about the ending. I kinda like the giant squid ending. There's something poetically simple about stopping nuclear war by manufacturing an alien menace for humanity to unite against. But it's also kinda silly, would look even sillier in live action, and I'm not sure would actually work in the long run. The constant threat of Dr. Manhattan wiping us all out makes more sense.
While the Watchmen comic looks grimdark in a way that might fit Snyder's aesthetic, it's actually a critique of that kind of vigilante superheroism. By increasing & fetishizing the violence, Snyder completely misses the point of the deconstruction that Moore was trying to do, just as nearly every edgelord comic book writer over the last 30 years has. There are some artists that just have diametrically opposed worldviews and whose works should never be combined. Just as Snyder & Whedon have no business working together, I don't think it's possible for a filmmaker to do adaptations of both Frank Miller & Alan Moore and have both of them turn out well. The mere fact that Snyder did such a good job on 300 should have disqualified him from directing Watchmen.
Um, the Watchmen graphic novel has been placed on a list of top 100 books. Not comic books. Books. It's most certainly about something. And it has layers upon layers of things to dissect. Snyder only took one fo those layers, discarded the rest, and still ended up with a decent movie. That's a testament to the book.
Couldn't agree more.
Dr. Manhattan never worked for me as the threat that would unite the Soviet Union and the United States in peace; if anything it would divide them even more. As pointed out: "The superman exists, and he's American." The Soviet Union would take every opportunity to rake the US over the coals for unleashing this uncontrollable American made destructive force onto the world. It would seize the chance to build allies from those on the fence and disenfranchised by the US. The giant squid on first appearance, no matter how dorky, is at least something that is alien, the concept works because it's a third party of currently unknown origin.
In the movie It was believed that Manhatten struck half dozen cities across the globe.
It wasn't the world uniting over an American tragedy, it was a global catastrophy that bloodied up everyone.
It wasn't the world uniting over an American tragedy, it was a global catastrophy that bloodied up everyone.
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