Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 1 spoiler discussion!
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I've got to say I absolutely loved Clark's rescue of the power plant in the opening. I haven't seen anything that imaginative and well-executed for Superman on TV - or really, for any superhero. This kind of thing is why he's Superman - anybody in these fantasy worlds can punch a bad guy through a wall.
I don’t think Clark knows he has it? He wasn’t present when Jordan took it from the rocket. Unless he’s randomly X-raying his teenage sons all the time, which would be pretty intrusive.I was surprised that Clark let him keep it, is what I'm saying, hence the quibble. But if he has his x-ray eye on it to keep track of it, well, I guess it's OK.
I thought it was tense.
One of the better moments in Snyder’s movies, admittedly; the “Welcome to the Planet” line is just lovely.
I'm not sure how much thought the producers put into this, but, I was thinking about this last night - Emmanuelle Chriqui, who plays Lana, is 45, Tyler Hoechlin is 33 and they both have teenagers who are starting freshmen in high school, so 14-15 years of age. Which would be about right for Emmanuelle, who would have had her daughter in her late twenties/early thirties; but makes Tyler in his late teens/early twenties to have the twins. There was a line last night about how Clark missed the last high school reunion and never seems to age. If the last high school reunion was his 20th, that puts him in his late thirties/early forties. Going from memory, in Supergirl, Clark and Lois left Earth for Argo city to have a baby under red sun conditions, which they had had by the time of Crisis. At the end of Crisis, suddenly Clark and Lois have twins. If Clark and Lois were about thirty when they had the twins, and the twins are 14-15, then they would both be in their mid-forties now. If the Crisis was set in the present of 2019-2020, then it's possible that this series is set in the near-future of 2030's and Kara and the other Arrowverse characters are retired or MIA, a neat way to get around there not being any other superheroes at the moment.
Hmm... It was okay, but it isn't what I wanted to see in an Arrowverse Superman show. It's taking advantage of the Crisis to do a complete continuity reset, and it's too disconnected from everything else. It even completely changed the design of Kal-El's space pod, and apparently of the Fortress. Plus there's a new Sam Lane and a new Morgan Edge -- nothing is familiar besides the title characters.
Moreover, it doesn't have the sense of fun that draws me to the Arrowverse. It's too gray and angsty and has too little humor.
I'm not sold on the idea of an alternate Luthor being the villain. I'm a big fan of Jon Cryer's Luthor and I don't like the competition. I would've rather seen him take on Superman. Or to get a different villain. The Arrowverse hasn't done Brainiac yet, just a couple of his descendants.
Having early Superman be in the '40s costume was a cute nod, but weird from a continuity perspective, because we know the S shield is the El mayarah, the crest of the House of El. So why replace it with a different S shield? Maybe Martha just didn't render it accurately?
As mentioned before, Steve Lombard is a comics character who was prominent in the '70s, the Planet's big dumb jock sports reporter who bullied Clark, with Clark often using his powers surreptitiously to make Steve's pranks backfire on him.
Oh, that's normal for just about every show these days. For instance, Star Trek: Discovery has about 20 producers and executive producers. "Executive producer" is a credit that's given to a wide range of different people. Only some of them are involved in the writing process, others are logistical producers responsible for turning the ideas into an actual show, and sometimes one is a director who's permanently on board to supervise the episode directors; but others are production company execs, financial investors, rights owners, and the like -- people who get a cut of the profits but aren't really participants in the creative process. I'd say that for the typical show, the credited EPs are about half creative people and half money/business people.
So they can keep his true identity secret when he appears under an assumed name?
That was Alien Nation's Michelle Scarabelli, who was listed in the guest star credits near the beginning. It took me a while to remember where I'd seen her name.
Moreover, it doesn't have the sense of fun that draws me to the Arrowverse. It's too gray and angsty and has too little humor.
I'm not sold on the idea of an alternate Luthor being the villain. I'm a big fan of Jon Cryer's Luthor and I don't like the competition. I would've rather seen him take on Superman. Or to get a different villain. The Arrowverse hasn't done Brainiac yet, just a couple of his descendants.
Having early Superman be in the '40s costume was a cute nod, but weird from a continuity perspective, because we know the S shield is the El mayarah, the crest of the House of El. So why replace it with a different S shield? Maybe Martha just didn't render it accurately?
As mentioned before, Steve Lombard is a comics character who was prominent in the '70s, the Planet's big dumb jock sports reporter who bullied Clark, with Clark often using his powers surreptitiously to make Steve's pranks backfire on him.
Oh, that's normal for just about every show these days. For instance, Star Trek: Discovery has about 20 producers and executive producers. "Executive producer" is a credit that's given to a wide range of different people. Only some of them are involved in the writing process, others are logistical producers responsible for turning the ideas into an actual show, and sometimes one is a director who's permanently on board to supervise the episode directors; but others are production company execs, financial investors, rights owners, and the like -- people who get a cut of the profits but aren't really participants in the creative process. I'd say that for the typical show, the credited EPs are about half creative people and half money/business people.
So they can keep his true identity secret when he appears under an assumed name?
That was Alien Nation's Michelle Scarabelli, who was listed in the guest star credits near the beginning. It took me a while to remember where I'd seen her name.
I always felt that Tyler Hoechlin was playing a Superman a few years older than he actually is on Supergirl, but Crisis' reboot of Earth aged him and Lois up by about fifteen years from where they were pre-Crisis. I don't mind -- he's always been a good casting choice for Superman -- but trying to connect Superman & Lois with Superman's Supergirl appearances is going to be hard.
Based on the aftershow, that seems to be the point.
Yes, that was made explicit in dialogue when Hoechlin first appeared on Supergirl, that he was young-looking for his age because Kryptonians age more slowly on Earth. Per the timeline established in Supergirl, Kal-El was born in 1976, so if that still holds post-Crisis, Clark is 45 now. It could work if Clark and Lois's courtship progressed more swiftly than it's generally portrayed.
Dude! I've been wracking my brain for the last twelve hours trying to figure out where I'd seen that before -- one kid with powers, one without (and bitter as hell about it) -- but couldn't remember which Elseworld or imaginary story about it. Thanks!
I'm perfectly happy to see a break of style and continuity with the other CW shows, most of which are built on mediocre, bathetic narratives and often look cheap.
I hung in with Supergirl for nearly four years, and Flash for a couple, but...just no. CW's unofficial mandate for their YA fantasy stuff seems to be "Like Buffy, but less smart."
The producers look to have stepped up their game quite a bit on this one.
I hung in with Supergirl for nearly four years, and Flash for a couple, but...just no. CW's unofficial mandate for their YA fantasy stuff seems to be "Like Buffy, but less smart."
The producers look to have stepped up their game quite a bit on this one.
Yeah, Lex Luthor exposed Lois to Gold Kryptonite when she was pregnant with their first kid Joel. He grew up without powers and Clark was terrified of what would happen if he ever learned the truth. Their daughter Kara DID have powers and became Supergirl.
The son found out when Lex Luthor told him Clark was Superman, and he started going mad with bitterness over it. He felt that since Luthor told him and Clark didn't, Luthor was more trustworthy. Luthor exploited the kids' envy and rage by telling him Clark was the one who depowered him to make sure his successor could never surpass him.
It got worse from that point...
Oh, I remember now....
I'm thinking of buying the Omnibus edition of all three series, because I never read the third. But it will feel incomplete, since Batman/Captain America, obviously, won't be there.
What I really loved about the Captain America/Batman story was that they didn't clash at all personality wise and when they had their first fight they didn't know who the other was. As soon as Bruce realized Steve was Cap and Steve realized Bruce was Batman from how he was fighting, they stopped and were all buddy-buddy with each other.
So refreshing from how you see Batman usually clashing with Superman all the time in their first meetings.
But anyways, I'm a little surprised no one has said that Clark and Lois' actors are too young to be the parents of teenagers. I mean, Tyler Hoechlin is only 33.
Lois' actress is just barely making it at 40
The idea that Kryptonians age more slowly on Earth has been mentioned more than once, directly and indirectly, in the shows’ dialogue re: Hoechlin’s Superman. Christopher calculated uptopic that Clark is probably around 45 at this point.
The kids were just starting their freshman year of high school which would put them most likely in the 13-14 yo age bracket (although they look older.) So that would put Lois, if she were the same 40 as the actress, at being 26-27 when they were born. A good age for the hot-shot reporter of the Planet.
I generally like the episode.
I generally like the episode.
Eh, it seems more like a Lois & Clark situation where the people making the show desperately want to ignore superman as much as possible, except the kids are the focus instead of mostly Lois. So barely any Superman per episode, and once the bare minimum amount of Superman is shown they then go back to the standard teen drama that CW is seemingly legally obligated to shove into every show on their network, even the ones without teen characters.
But, to be fair, the show that the CW calls Batwoman has literally no appearances by the real Batwoman in its second season, so S&L has got that show beat, at least.
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