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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Oso Blanco said:
And what does Luke Cage have to do with Wakanda?
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Not only did the question I was answering ask about shows “besides the Black Panther cast”, which certainly implies that @JD meant a non-Wakandan setting, but it was in the specific context of a conversation (a) about what other “select MC shows” Cogler would be working on and (b) in which a couple of posters agreed that we thought it looked like only one of those shows would be set in Wakanda. So there was absolutely no reason why my answer would have to relate to Wakanda.
 
Captaindemotion said:
Not only did the question I was answering ask about shows “besides the Black Panther cast”, which certainly implies that @JD meant a non-Wakandan setting, but it was in the specific context of a conversation (a) about what other “select MC shows” Cogler would be working on and (b) in which a couple of posters agreed that we thought it looked like only one of those shows would be set in Wakanda. So there was absolutely no reason why my answer would have to relate to Wakanda.
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Sorry ... I thought you wanted Luke Cage to be involved in the Wakanda show, which wouldn't make any sense at all.

I hope they don't reboot/recast Luke Cage or any of the other Netflix characters ... just bring them back as they are!
 
theenglish said:
Really though, it wasn't much of a cliffhanger. You could start a new show with Luke in a different situation and he decided to give up the club or it wasn't his gig and done. On with the new story.
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Unless I'm misremembering (it has been a few years) the implication of the cliffhanger wasn't just that he was running the club, but running the underworld that came along with it and thus becoming a villain. Like I said though, I'm fine with handwaving it away.
 
So when is Buffy going to show up?(Disney does own it now too)


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Timelord Victorious said:
So a bit like Angel and Wolfram & Hart?
So, he would have tried to battle crime from within while making increasingly more compromises and fighting a dragon in a last stand at the end?
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Not a terrible analogy, but also not an entirely accurate one either. Angel was agreeing to essentially become WR&H's top Lieutenant on Earth, with the intent of taking it down from the inside.

Luke on the other hand isn't joining or dismantling anything. There's no giant cabal of supervillains offering him control over Harlem in exchange for not punching their people anymore. He's inhabiting a corner of the ecosystem, presumably with the idea that so long as he's there, nobody else can fill the void. Which is dumb since that's not how organised crime works. You can't keep your thumb on even a small corner of a city like NY through intimidation alone, or without a steady cashflow. Like any business, crime has overheads. Not just to keep the operation running, but the personnel happy too. He'd literally have to do everything Mama Mabel, Cottonmouth, and Black Mariah did before him just to maintain his position. So what's the point, exactly? Where's the end game?
 
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Luke you said. He would have to start doing what all the other crime bosses did.
Little things at first, seemingly harmless.
But eventually he would start making moral compromises and feel the corruption.
Eventually, he would realize that he is becoming that which he despises and gets rid of all that.
Maybe someone would start manipulating him on that path. You need a big bad after all.

but that is all moot now, I guess
 
Timelord Victorious said:
Luke you said. He would have to start doing what all the other crime bosses did.
Little things at first, seemingly harmless.
But eventually he would start making moral compromises and feel the corruption.
Eventually, he would realize that he is becoming that which he despises and gets rid of all that.
Maybe someone would start manipulating him on that path. You need a big bad after all.

but that is all moot now, I guess
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If it's that predictable, then it probably wouldn't be worth sitting through the 13 hours of drawn of serialised drams it would take for them to play the story out. Not even if the turn comes at the half-way point. Which honestly was kind of my problem with the last season. It felt like a slog getting to where you pretty much knew it was headed from from the jump.
 
Reverend said:
If it's that predictable, then it probably wouldn't be worth sitting through the 13 hours of drawn of serialised drams it would take for them to play the story out. Not even if the turn comes at the half-way point. Which honestly was kind of my problem with the last season. It felt like a slog getting to where you pretty much knew it was headed from from the jump.
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The third -season-that-never-was was only going to be 10 episodes, and there's no saying that they would have used the entire season on the Luke as crime lord story.
 
Reverend said:
Unless I'm misremembering (it has been a few years) the implication of the cliffhanger wasn't just that he was running the club, but running the underworld that came along with it and thus becoming a villain. Like I said though, I'm fine with handwaving it away.
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Running the underworld, with the intention of undermining it. The implication was that he might be that the new power might have a corrupting influence. It is an easy enough cliffhanger that any "new" season can skip past it or relegate the story to flashbacks.
 
As I said, I don't care if it's resolved, or just ignored. I'm not invested. Mostly because I find it to be an uninteresting story that undermines a character that I'd already begun to loose interest in.
You don't "solve" crime by running crime. That's some Jonathan Wild bullshit and it always leads to corruption. Seeing a character tediously go through the motions of realising that obvious fact amidst a serialised melodrama is about as appealing to me as watching roadkill decompose.

Indeed, "Jessica rolled in and dragged him by the scruff to The Raft" is my preference because regardless of intent, "superhero turns crime lord" makes it impossible for everyone else like them.
 
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During the Super Bowl, I thought this was a stealth ad for a Fantastic 4 movie.
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Reverend said:
As I said, I don't care if it's resolved, or just ignored. I'm not invested. Mostly because I find it to be an uninteresting story that undermines a character that I'd already begun to loose interest in.
You don't "solve" crime by running crime. That's some Jonathan Wild bullshit and it always leads to corruption. Seeing a character tediously go through the motions of realising that obvious fact amidst a serialised melodrama is about as appealing to me as watching roadkill decompose.

Indeed, "Jessica rolled in and dragged him by the scruff to The Raft" is my preference because regardless of intent, "superhero turns crime lord" makes it impossible for everyone else like them.
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Per showrunner Cheo Hodari Coker, season three:
"But what I can say is that we had a very good season planned, and it was one that I think would have brought Luke Cage as a character full circle. You see people online that were like, 'Oh my god, I turned Luke into a gangster.' They wouldn't be [saying that] if they had the opportunity to see all three seasons and see the directions Luke would have gone."
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Mr. Adventure said:
During the Super Bowl, I thought this was a stealth ad for a Fantastic 4 movie.
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If it is then SpaceX is in on it. If not...Disney may want to have a "conversation" with Elon about the use of that symbol. I mean I don't think it's actionable, but still. Cutting it a little close.
 
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