Spoilers WandaVision discussion thread

[JD]

I had assumed the whole pregnancy was just part of her using her powers to play with reality.
It's nice to finally get some real answers about what's going.
Monica Rambeau being the one who started S.W.O.R.D. was a cool reveal, and it makes sense she'd do something like that as a reaction to what she went through in Cap. Marvel.
It was nice getting to see just how much chaos there was after the blip.
Darcy was one of my favorite parts of the first two Thors, so I've been looking forward to her showing up here, and her appearance did not disappoint.
Seeing Jimmy Woo again was cool to.
The two cops saying Westview did not exist, while they were standing under the Westview sign, was funny, and also a bit creepy.
After three episodes inside Westview, it was nice to finally see what's been going on outside. Darcy getting into WandaVision as a show was funny.
Wanda's confrontation with Monica before she threw her out of Westview as almost a little creepy.
I'm starting to wonder how much Wanda is aware of what she's doing, because the way everything about her changes when something breaks the illusion, almost makes it seem like some of this might be happening unconsciously.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I wondered the same. The episode went to lengths to show the parallel events to previous three episodes with everything else, but his experience was out of sync. I'm guessing he was erased from existence when she rewound the ten seconds...but was he removed out of space there and then...or for all time?

Or he's still there, wandering around somewhere in the background as the town beekeeper or stuck in the sewer somewhere.

I'm so glad Kat Dennings is back as Darcy (and that she finally got her doctorate.) She has an irreverence that the MCU really needs now Tony is gone.

Supposedly there was a planned stinger for Endgame that would have had Wanda "visiting" where Vision's body had been stored as a set up for this whole thing. My impression from this episode is that she's basically puppeteering the thing with her powers...which is all kinds of morbid.

As for the twins; consider that Wanda was "blipped", so for her Vision's death was only a matter of weeks ago. Also consider that right before that the two of them had gone off grind together, for months...mostly in bed. Odds are she was already pregnant in 'Infinity War'.

That assumes a human and a synthezoid can physically have kids. My money's on the kids being magic, just like in the comics.

 

[David cgc]

I got big Agents-of-SHIELD-but-with-money-and-studio-support vibes from this episode. Both in the general vibe, and also the "show the events of the last several episodes from another perspective" trick AOS liked to do. Which I enjoyed, and want more of in general.

The bit with the retro drone being seen on the "show" and them speculating about why the "production design" had changed it to fit in with the setting made me wonder if this is shaping up to be one of those inside-baseball, "the movie is a metaphor for making the movie" stories, like Inception.

As I already said, I love having Darcy back and I'm amused how well her pairing with Jimmy works (especially considering I didn't like him all that much before).

I was delighted by Jimmy producing his business card with close-up magic.

Well that was interesting. Though I'm a bit disappointed we didn't get any sitcom fun this episode. But it was good to see what's going in the "real world" while Wanda is creating her dream world in that bubble. And the whiteboard was pretty funny "Why a sticom?"

I have to image the whiteboard was scripted as "All the questions we want the fans to have been asking for the past three weeks."

 

[The Nth Doctor]

One thing I forgot to mention before: One of the Westview residents is Jimmy's witness protection person but we didn't find who specifically that was. I don't remember if he specified a gender, but if he didn't specifically say he/him, then I'm betting it's Agnes.

And the whiteboard was pretty funny "Why a sticom?"

Oh! And speaking of the whiteboard, did anyone else catch the Skrull reference? It was only (fully) visible for a second and we didn't see what the actual reference was, but clearly it was something that was on SWORD's mind.

Or he's still there, wandering around somewhere in the background as the town beekeeper or stuck in the sewer somewhere.

That's a possibility, but I suspect the more sinister explanation is the accurate one.

That assumes a human and a synthezoid can physically have kids. My money's on the kids being magic, just like in the comics.

True. But I think it would be more curious and intriguing if the nature of the twins' conception wasn't simply magic. I'm not sure how exactly that work but perhaps something to do with the Infinity Gems (since both Wanda and Vision are directly connected to them).

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

I enjoyed the intermission here.

however, I cringed at the science tech talk on display.
I mean, Darcy’s itty-bitty hand scanner picking up specific CMBR when those is usually detected with meter wide antennae.
All her scanner would have given her would be undifferentiated noise.
And then the fact that that kind of radiation is literally everywhere coming from all directions. That’s the whole point of it’s significance.

Would have been better , if she worded it differently, that she gets nothing but CMBR from the town (plus the piggy backing signal), when there should have been all kinds of signals all over the spectrum.
Would have been way creepier.

 

[Turtletrekker]

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[JD]

One thing I forgot to mention that I thought was interesting, is that everything that went into Westview was changed to fit the era inside, but when Monica was thrown out, she still looked like she did in Westview. I wonder if that is at all significant or just an unintentional plot hole? If this was intentional, then it could mean that even if Vision, Billy and Tommy were created purely by Wanda's powers, then they could potentially continue to exist once all of this is resolved.

One thing I forgot to mention before: One of the Westview residents is Jimmy's witness protection person but we didn't find who specifically that was. I don't remember if he specified a gender, but if he didn't specifically say he/him, then I'm betting it's Agnes.

I was wondering about that too. They seemed to kind of drop the whole missing witness thing once they realized what was going on, but it feels like something that could end up being important later.

Oh! And speaking of the whiteboard, did anyone else catch the Skrull reference? It was only (fully) visible for a second and we didn't see what the actual reference was, but clearly it was something that was on SWORD's mind.

I missed that.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I fully expect Tommy and Billy to continue to exist after the show is over. As teenagers, destined to join the Young Avengers. Kevin Feige is obviously building up to the YA.

 

[David cgc]

One thing I forgot to mention that I thought was interesting, is that everything that went into Westview was changed to fit the era inside, but when Monica was thrown out, she still looked like she did in Westview. I wonder if that is at all significant or just an unintentional plot hole? If this was intentional, then it could mean that even if Vision, Billy and Tommy were created purely by Wanda's powers, then they could potentially continue to exist once all of this is resolved.

I don't think it's a mistake or oversight that Monica came out looking the way she did in the show rather than transforming back to how she appeared before she walked through the barrier. Remember, the beekeeper's safety line was still transformed into a jump-rope when it was winched back up to the camp, and they gave it a lot of attention. I think seeding the idea that Wanda's creations can persist in the real world is exactly what they're doing.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I was wondering about that too. They seemed to kind of drop the whole missing witness thing once they realized what was going on, but it feels like something that could end up being important later.

Jimmy mentioned it again after SWORD set up base, so I have a feeling it'll definitely come up again.

I missed that.

It was on the far left side in the same shot as "why sitcom??"

 

[Turtletrekker]

I know I'm too big of an MCU nerd when one of the first things I noticed in my second watch while looking through for Easter eggs is that one of the television reports is from WHiH, The MCU's go to fictional news agency, which was established in the first Iron Man movie and has since appeared in other movies, as well as Agents of SHIELD, Runaways, Cloak and Dagger and the Netflix shows. And the MCU Wiki, diligent as ever, has already added WandaVision to the entry.

https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/WHiH_World_News

 

[Turtletrekker]

One thing I forgot to mention before: One of the Westview residents is Jimmy's witness protection person but we didn't find who specifically that was. I don't remember if he specified a gender, but if he didn't specifically say he/him, then I'm betting it's Agnes.
.

Woo to Monica: " I've got a witness set up down the road in Westview, and this morning it looked like he flew the coop."

And I noticed Jimmy's card trick this time. I love little continuity touches like that.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I know I'm too big of an MCU nerd when one of the first things I noticed in my second watch while looking through for Easter eggs Is that one of the television reports is from WHiH, The MCU's go to fictional news agency, which was established in the first Iron Man movie and has since appeared in other movies, as well as Agents of SHIELD, Runaways, Cloak and Dagger and the Netflix shows. And the MCU Wiki, diligent as ever, has already added WandaVision to the entry.

https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/WHiH_World_News

Oh, nice catch! I don't think I ever noticed the name of that news station.

Woo to Monica: " I've got a witness set up down the road in Westview. and this morning it looked like he flew the coop."

Thanks for that. I thought he might have said he but I couldn't trust my memory.

I still think whoever his witness is will be important later.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I notice that Kathryn Hahn's Agnes is listed in this episodes cast, both in the run-through of the main players at the top of the credits and on the card with the entire cast later on, despite not appearing in any new footage in this episode.

 

[Skywalker]

Could just be a contractual thing (some actors have it in their contracts that they get billed for every episode no matter what) or it could just be because she did appear via previously aired footage.

 

[Reverend]

Someone in FBI witness protection going missing the same nowhere NJ town that Wanda just happens to have a reality bending mental break in does sound like WAY too much of a coincidence to be pure happenstance.
Who do we know who could be this "witness"?

While brain fuckery seems right up his alley, the fact that he's one of Woo's cases and thus a West Coast instead of East Coast thing, so Sterns is probably off the table.
Last we saw of him Carson was in the wind, but that was like 7 or 8 years ago now, so he could have been captured and rolled on someone else. Can't quite see the connection there aside from Hydra...though he did have Cross's knock-off Pym Particles which can be used to access the quantum realm which gets into reality bending stuff, so perhaps not so far removed? I guess it could be Sonny Burch, but I just don't see it.

What other antagonists are still around at this point? Zemo, Blonsky and the actual Mandarin are spoken for in terms of upcoming MCU projects. This is way outside the bailiwick of the likes of Toomes, Gargan & Hammer. Everyone else I can think of is either too powerful or too dead to be in FBI custody.

 

[thribs]

Hawkeye should go in since he has a connection to her. He might be able to save her

 

[Relayer1]

I fully expect Tommy and Billy to continue to exist after the show is over. As teenagers, destined to join the Young Avengers. Kevin Feige is obviously building up to the YA.

Yes and no.

Wanda looks like she's had a breakdown caused by Vision's death. Isn't it losing her (unreal ?) kids that caused her breakdown in the comics ? Just before she went all "No more mutants !".

The events and their sequencing could be played with, as might the multiverse, but does anyone else think this could be leading towards explaining the absence of / bringing back mutants and introducing them to the MCU ?

 

[David cgc]

Whenever it's been mooted, even before it was a practical possibility, I've always expected Wanda saying, "Yes, more mutants," would be the way the X-Men were brought into the MCU.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I wonder what was harder on people, the snap or the return?

Kat Dennings was a surprise, that hadn't been spoiled for me. Quite a change of pace after the previous episodes. It was like watching another show. If nothing else, this series feels novel in its approach so far.

Netflix and their "Drop the whole season at once" thing spoiled a lot of folks and made them forget patience is a virtue.

I don't mind it with say The Expanse but I would've really liked this particular series to have had it dropped at once. I think the first two sitcoms could've been shorter parts of a single episode. Here, just as it was getting interesting it ended. YMMV