MemoryAlpha editor refuses to change Adira's Gender to "Non-Binary"

[NCC-73515]

There was one attempt to address LGBTs in the old movies, and that was in 2002's Nemesis:
"Ladies and Gentlemen and invited transgendered species."
It's obvious that they wanted to use the word, but then they implied there are entire species out there who are trans - if everyone is trans, wouldn't they all be the same, the majority, basically just like they're cis? And wouldn't they also be ladies and gentlemen anyway? It was odd

 

[cultcross]

That's because it was a silly joke, not an attempt at inclusiveness.

 

[Jinn]

There was one attempt to address LGBTs in the old movies, and that was in 2002's Nemesis:
"Ladies and Gentlemen and invited transgendered species."
It's obvious that they wanted to use the word, but then they implied there are entire species out there who are trans - if everyone is trans, wouldn't they all be the same, the majority, basically just like they're cis? And wouldn't they also be ladies and gentlemen anyway? It was odd

Oh yikes! I gotta say I'm glad I haven't rewatched this one since probably 2013. Frankly, I don't think this was an attempt to address actual lgbt people, since it explicitely addresses "species", so either this was an attempt at including fictional (and almost never mentioned) non-binary species, or a delibarate fuck you to real life human trans people. I'm inclined to think it's the former, and they were just hella uneducated. Still sucks though. Seriously, this is why it's good to have actualy lgbtq+ people behidn the scenes. So we don't have to go through cringe like that. Also, I see Berman has a writing credit. I shall blame him.

 

[cultcross]

And yet another violation of Troi. What was it with TNG writers and Troi rape analogies? How about a story where she has some agency? Oh whoops it's the last movie.

 

[casey]

The "invited" part doesn't sit well with me. It implies ladies and gentlemen are welcome but only certain transgender species (whatever that is) are welcome. Just the ones we are cool with, we won't let just any any transgendered species through the door. Not inclusive at all.

 

[Angry Fanboy]

And yet another violation of Troi. What was it with TNG writers and Troi rape analogies? How about a story where she has some agency? Oh whoops it's the last movie.

The treatment of Crusher and Troi generally was abysmal across all four films

 

[Court_Vince]

There was one attempt to address LGBTs in the old movies, and that was in 2002's Nemesis:
"Ladies and Gentlemen and invited transgendered species."
It's obvious that they wanted to use the word, but then they implied there are entire species out there who are trans - if everyone is trans, wouldn't they all be the same, the majority, basically just like they're cis? And wouldn't they also be ladies and gentlemen anyway? It was odd

"Transgendered" is also an outdated term.

 

[Awesome Possum]

It's a disgusting line and treating trans people as a punchline, a common trope throughout most of film history and one that Trek has sadly used a few times.

 

[DonIago]

"Transgendered" is also an outdated term.

Speaking explicitly out of ignorance here, if "transgendered" has fallen out of favor, does that apply to "transgender" as well? And if so, what are the preferred terms now?

 

[Court_Vince]

Speaking explicitly out of ignorance here, if "transgendered" has fallen out of favor, does that apply to "transgender" as well? And if so, what are the preferred terms now?

No, Transgender is fine.

 

[dupersuper]

Oh yikes! I gotta say I'm glad I haven't rewatched this one since probably 2013.

You...REwatched Nemesis?

 

[NCC-73515]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...sis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

Executive Order on Preventing and Combating Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation

 

[cultcross]

You...REwatched Nemesis?

We all have our crosses to bear

 

[Guy Gardener]

Good lord.

Data obviously meant "beyond" (binary) gender by that.

No one was trying to insult or patronize the trans community.

 

[Jinn]

You...REwatched Nemesis?

I actually don‘t think I have, I just wrote that post before going to bed and worded it weirdly. I think I only watched it once when it was on TV.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I actually don‘t think I have, I just wrote that post before going to bed and worded it weirdly. I think I only watched it once when it was on TV.

Decades ago I wrote several chapters of a post nemesis TNG fanfiction, yet I'd forgotten that Data died in Nemesis because the movie made very little impact on me.

Sadly Nemesis was the final ever TNG story... Wait a second?

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...sis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

Executive Order on Preventing and Combating Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation

Purely by accident I happened to have the TMP fly-by music on while looking at the inauguration pictures for the first time last night. It was quite emotional, a very good fit

 

[Arvis Taljik]

Good lord.

Data obviously meant "beyond" (binary) gender by that.

No one was trying to insult or patronize the trans community.

Both Bolians and Andorians fall into this category IIRC. I agree that no insult was intended either.

 

[SJGardner]

I didn't even learn about the issue with Data's remarks at the wedding until I had started watching Star Trek with the original audio... in the Hungarian dub, he merely said "... and invitees of any other gender." It was still played as a joke though.

 

[Reverend]

It's a fairly common trope in sci-fi to do some spin on "Welcome, ladies, gentlemen and smizmars!", usually as a gag because: "ha-ha, aliens are weird, ha-ha!" (Indeed, without even checking, I'd put money on tvtropes having a whole page of this.)
In this instance, while the phrasing was unfortunate and insensitive, I think it came from a place of ignorance, not active malignance. Not that this is a hill I'm willing to die on, because...it's 'Nemesis'.