Spoilers WandaVision discussion thread

[Jax]

So one can complain about it on the internet. Duh!

I find such behaviour very odd. If your unsure about a genre then of course explore but to watch something you have decided isn't for you. I had some one at work the other day who recommended me shows in genres like Reality TV or Rom-Coms and I was like "No Thanks" as I find such genre's distasteful and boring. Why go out my way to watch something I know I won't like

 

[Sci]

Nope. Its supposed to be made for MCU fans and be important to the MCU going forward. They can't make a shitty niche product while also making it essential viewing at the same time without criticism. If the show was just another Loeb produced pile of shit airing on FX or Hulu that didn't mean anything, I'd ignore it like I ignored stuff like Helstrom, Legion, Cloak & Dagger, etc.

The second the actual MCU produces a pile of shit then its back in my attention, and it will be getting criticized, regardless of what its increasingly defensive fans want.

1) I'm not reacting to your criticism. I'm reacting to your anger towards the show and creators, which seems disproportionate to the crime of making a TV show you don't like.

2) WandaVision almost certainly will not be essential viewing for future MCU projects. If you look at the previous MCU films... you didn't really have to see any of the other films to watch any of them except Endgame. They're all designed to give you a feeling of reward if you do recognize the shared continuity elements, but they're also all designed pretty carefully to make sure that randos off the street who have never seen an MCU movie before can follow things without any problems. I would be extremely, extremely surprised if they designed Doctor Stronge and the Multiverse of Madness so that you couldn't watch it without seeing WandaVision first. That would be very bad business practice -- and Marvel Studios are nothing if not good businesspeople.

3) I strongly disagree with your analysis of WandaVision -- I think that the deliberate contrast between the conventions of 1950s and 1960s television domestic situation comedies and the darker story that's ticking away under the surface is really interesting and does a lot to subvert the sitcom tropes, and I think Wanda is coming across as a three-dimensional character for the first time (e.g., her apparent desire to hide from the world in the sitcom when she's confronting with something potentially threatening, her insistence that Vision be the one to deal with unpleasant situations that violate the conventions of the sitcom genre rather than dealing with them herself, etc.). But if that doesn't work for you, that's legit! Sometimes a given genre's aesthetics and conventions are so not to one's taste that even if they're well-executed, one doesn't enjoy it. That's fine. But I promise you -- I promise you -- you will be happier if you turn WandaVision off and don't spend your mental energy hurling vitriol at the show and its creators over the Internet.

 

[Orphalesion]

To be completely honest I was prepared to hate this show because it sounded overly self-indulgent and only watched the first episode because... well; COVID

And I just finished episode 2 and I still find it a bit self-indulgent, but I also found the first two episodes rather entertaining. I hope the intrusions from the real world will continue to intensify and they won't stretch the "pure sitcom pastiche" out for too long. And I do hope this whole thing will have a payoff in the end.

That said I'm not opposed to non-action shows set in the MCU. I'd be very game for a mutant high school drama once they have brought the X-Men over to the MCU.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I'm pretty sure this is going to be a core part of Phase 4, it's setting up whatever Scarlet Witch's role will be Multiverse of Madness, which then leads into whatever Dr. Strange's role will be in Homecoming 3. I believe Loki is also connected to MoM, which means there might also be some small connections to this too.
Honestly, the whole the whole thing could just be what we got in the first 2 episodes, and I'd be perfectly happy with it.

That's backwards. Spider-man 3 comes first, before Multiverse of Madness. Someone (Feige, I think) described WandaVision, Loki and MoM as a 'trilogy' that build off each other, with MoM being the end of the trilogy. How SM3 fits into all this and whether it has anything at all to do with WV/Loki is unclear as far as I know.

I liked both episodes a lot. When exactly does this take place in the MCU continuity, though? I thought Vision was destroyed around eight movies ago or something. (There's so much MCU now that a lot of it is a blur)

I love retro-tinged sci-fi. If the sitcom setting was in the modern day, I wouldn't have any interest in this at all.

Kor

Vision was destroyed in Infinity War (technically that's only 5 movies ago and two of them took place before IW). This is after all that. That's one of the central mysteries of the show - though most familiar with Wanda's powerset from the comics are pretty much assuming that all of this strangeness, including Vision, is being created by Wanda directly if not entirely intentionally. Whether that means Vision will actually get to stick around again beyond this series or whether she'll have to let go of him in the end we'll have to see.

 

[Orphalesion]

Vision was destroyed in Infinity War (technically that's only 5 movies ago and two of them took place before IW). This is after all that. That's one of the central mysteries of the show - though most familiar with Wanda's powerset from the comics are pretty much assuming that all of this strangeness, including Vision, is being created by Wanda directly if not entirely intentionally. Whether that means Vision will actually get to stick around again beyond this series or whether she'll have to let go of him in the end we'll have to see.

I'm wondering whether this will lead to MCU versions of Wiccan and Speed...

 

[Nerys Myk]

ision and his co worker work at a job in which they don't even know what the job is. Just some stock "business" place.

That wasn't unusual. What exactly did Mr. Cleaver do on Leave it To Beaver?

 

[Henoch]

I would be extremely, extremely surprised if they designed Doctor Stronge and the Multiverse of Madness so that you couldn't watch it without seeing WandaVision first. That would be very bad business practice -- and Marvel Studios are nothing if not good businesspeople.

I think an unified theory of magic is being developed which started in Doctor Strange. I suspect all magic is "taken" from other dimensions and some of these dimensions have rulers. Along these lines, the Infinity Stones each take power from some extra-dimension. For example, Wanda's magic was opened by the Mind Stone which takes from Mephisto's dimension of Hell/Hades. YMMV .

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

It's weird, quirky and bafflingly good but I do think it would of benefited from being a drop all 9 episodes at once sort of show. It was great to see Emma Caulfield after many years of not seeing her in anything I watch.



Genuine question: If you don't like the Superhero genre, why watch a show in that genre?

As for Kirk - he hates everything and just wants to pass his misery onto other people (never seen him say a positive word about anything or anyone). I suggest just placing him on ignore because his daily posts are clones of each other.

To be fair, that’s not true.
He occasionally comments on stuff he likes.
Or he lists stuff he likes in response to being accused of hating everything.

it‘s just the hate responses are so much more memorable and intense.

That wasn't unusual. What exactly did Mr. Cleaver do on Leave it To Beaver?

Do we know if the guest characters that got introduced so far will stay the same characters throughout the show? Or will they morph into other characters resembling casts of parodied shows?
The guy with the mustache looks so much like David Schwimmer that I can’t help but expect him to have the Ross role in the 90s/Friends Episode.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I'm wondering whether this will lead to MCU versions of Wiccan and Speed...

That's another major possibility. Especially considering the obvious movements in the MCU towards a Young Avengers setup (Cassie Lang will almost certainly get powers in Ant-man 3, Kate Bishop is starring in Hawkeye, Loki could even potentially introduce other versions of Loki - we're also getting Ms. Marvel and Ironheart which could point towards an amalgamation of YA/Champions). And, you know, how episode 2 ended...

 

[Sci]

I think an unified theory of magic is being developed which started in Doctor Strange. I suspect all magic is "taken" from other dimensions and some of these dimensions have rulers. Along these lines, the Infinity Stones each take power from some extra-dimension. For example, Wanda's magic was opened by the Mind Stone which takes from Mephisto's dimension of Hell/Hades. YMMV .

Entirely possible! My pet hypothesis is that Vision is still dead and Wanda has been captured by Hydra, and they're subjecting her to some sort of brainwashing technique that's manifesting as sitcom-inspired delusions of a happy life with her lost love. I suspect this may be setting her up for some kind of antagonist role in Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness.

But I either way, I'd bet good money that both WV and DSatMoM are being designed so that audiences can watch one without the other just fine.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

It's weird, quirky and bafflingly good but I do think it would of benefited from being a drop all 9 episodes at once sort of show. It was great to see Emma Caulfield after many years of not seeing her in anything I watch.

I agree about the weekly drip, actually they were probably smart to release these two together to get the ball rolling faster. I didn't even catch that was Emma Caulfield.

 

[Maurice]

Genuine question: If you don't like the Superhero genre, why watch a show in that genre?

Because the premise looked interesting and a friend recommended checking it out precisely because it isn't the typical superhero thing.

And genre aside, the show does a rotten job of welcoming people who may not have seen the Avengers movies for whatever reason.

That wasn't unusual. What exactly did Mr. Cleaver do on Leave it To Beaver?

Mrs. Cleaver.

 

[Jax]

And genre aside, the show does a rotten job of welcoming people who may not have seen the Avengers movies for whatever reason.

The MCU already has plenty of fans, Disney clearly doesn't feel the need for every product to be entry level.

 

[Maurice]

The MCU already has plenty of fans, Disney clearly doesn't feel the need for every product to be entry level.

The audience is always right about what they like and they don't like.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Mrs. Cleaver.

"Ward, you were a little hard on the beaver last night."

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

I need to start paying more attention to the mid episode advertisements.

I am rewatching Age of Ultron right now. And Wanda just recalled the story of how their parents died to Ultron.
Their home was bomb shelled, with the second shell hitting but not going off. They stayed trapped there for days, next to the bomb. Every shift in the rubble threatening to set it off. On it’s cold surface a printed word: STARK

The damn toaster was the bomb!

 

[JD]

That's backwards. Spider-man 3 comes first, before Multiverse of Madness. Someone (Feige, I think) described WandaVision, Loki and MoM as a 'trilogy' that build off each other, with MoM being the end of the trilogy. How SM3 fits into all this and whether it has anything at all to do with WV/Loki is unclear as far as I know.

Oh, I thought Multiverse of Madness came out next year, and then Homecoming 3 was 2023.

And genre aside, the show does a rotten job of welcoming people who may not have seen the Avengers movies for whatever reason.

What made you feel this way? There were absolutely no references or connections to the movies, and pretty everything you needed know was set up in the episodes.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

The damn toaster was the bomb!

Something definitely wrong with that red light.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Artificial beings are sometimes called "toasters".

 

[Henoch]

Could the Strucker Watch indicate that Hydra is "watch"-ing you, hence a clue to who has Wanda? The person in both commercials is the man in charge? We can make ourselves crazy trying to put a clue to everything we see.