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Personal transporters---what??

I assumed the personal transporters just send a signal to the ship's transporter and initiates a site-to-site transport, not that the actual badge has a tiny transporter in it. Not sure if that's contradicted by anything on-screen.
That would make sense. But instances like Nemesis when the transporters aren't working or unavailable would seem to go against it.

Plus if all the personal transporters are doing is activating the ship's own transporters they're not doing much at all are they? They're just a combadge that's sending a signal rather than someone verbally asking the computer for a site-to-site transport.
 
Why engage with this sort of conversation at all then if you're basically going to argue that none of it is real anyway?

"It's not real" is hardly a matter for argument. It's an assertion. And a reminder that any effort to "make sense" of these gadgets as if there are any underlying rules or principles to guide you is an empty exercise.

Some of Trek's technological extrapolation was based in observation of the real world. Some was based on the writers doing research and then applying their own sense of what was dramatically plausible and useful to decide what to use and what to discard. And some - especially the transporter - was nothing more than a convenient contrivance into which they put no thought of any depth beyond "production problem solved."

You can find all of that recorded in their own words. Why engage with this sort of conversation at all if you're going to ignore the facts going in?
 
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The most interesting thing about a personal transporter is that it transports itself, so it manages rematerialisation while dematerialised. Impressive. Most impressive.

How so? Regular transporters don't require a pad at the other end, be it for beaming down or up. So the badge could pretend to be beaming up from the padless end, taking itself along as payload. No, I have no bloody idea how the padless part works, but it could be a simple "cheat", a reversing of a process that isn't one-way in temporal coordinates.

As bullshit as it admittedly seems I guess they're just following the direction of travel seen when Janeway and Leonardo Da Vinci beamed themselves to safety with that drinks flask-sized personal transporter and the combadge-sized one from Nemesis.

...Ah, the da Vinci thing didn't self-transport. Janeway had a remote; the device itself was the doodad the remote was resting on, and didn't go anywhere.

The Nemesis one might have been a transporter. Or then a transponder, to help compensate for whatever was broken by Shinzon aboard the Enterprise. Remember that the sparkles on LaForge's console took down all the transporters of the E-E, thus apparently hitting a centralized, shared resource. Might have been a sensor rather than a pattern buffer or an antenna (since the latter two come in multiple examples on the ship).

Transporters often break their self-made rules. But explaining it away is usually pretty trivial, and even the writers are getting the hang of this technobabble. I have no problem with the devices being magic wands from our perspective in the dramatic sense. But mobile phones would have been that to Jimmy Maxwell, so we still have the option of believing in these things for real. I mean, we really can't claim the opposite even with the expertise of Maxwell, because even he knew that science is always wrong, often fundamentally so.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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Wait until people find out modern transporters on Discovery are telepathic and are powered by human thought. They can take you anyplace in the universe you think of including other people's dreams.

Jason
 
The most interesting thing about a personal transporter is that it transports itself, so it manages rematerialisation while dematerialised. Impressive. Most impressive.

No, I have no bloody idea how the padless part works

Personal transporters are a 2 part system, but they are so fast, it's unnoticeable. The Part A transports part B to the destination and then Part B transports Part A to the Destination.

As for materialization without a pad, transported matter is only partially converted to energy. Atoms retain their association with each other in this new energy form (hence why people retain consciousness, they are temporarily an energy being), so once the Transporter beam stops forcing your atoms to be energy, they snap back into matter in the same order they were before. It's only is something goes wrong (or you are energy too long) that your energy atoms forget where they go and you lose cohesion. That's when the computer has to do some heavy lifting to try and save you, notice that the emergency save incidents are always on a pad.
 
That works fine for pad-to-nothing. It's the nothing-to-pad thing that raises eyebrows.

But as said, perhaps a cheat. Reversing the direction of time might well be doable in our reality, and could be a breeze in Trek.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Linus feels your pain.

Probably keyed to the wrong part of a Saurian brain. Once they get it tuned, I'm sure Linus will be OK, but until then....
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You're sounding pretty argumentative TBH...

You've been here 9 years and never met Dennis? Where've you been?
 
Comm badges have already been all kind of magic. Ever since TNG, a receiving badge instantly connects to an outgoing badge while the first person is saying "Person A to Person B." That's never been explained, and no one's ever questioned it. Therefore what's to question about personal transporters?

Or is this just another "Disco sucks! Kurtzman is an evil hedonist!" thing?
 
Comm badges have already been all kind of magic. Ever since TNG, a receiving badge instantly connects to an outgoing badge while the first person is saying "Person A to Person B." That's never been explained, and no one's ever questioned it. Therefore what's to question about personal transporters?
Oh, that's easy. The badges record everything all the time, and when you call someone, they replay the "A to B" part.

The one thing that always confused me, is, when someone from the away team says "five to beam up" at the end of the adventure. How does the transporter chief know who to beam up, in cases where someone dies, or they're taking someone from the surface with them.
 
Comm badges have already been all kind of magic. Ever since TNG, a receiving badge instantly connects to an outgoing badge while the first person is saying "Person A to Person B." That's never been explained, and no one's ever questioned it. Therefore what's to question about personal transporters?

Or is this just another "Disco sucks! Kurtzman is an evil hedonist!" thing?
Possibly second one, but in fairness, comm badges seem to be able to have some sort of mind reading power.
 
Wait until people find out modern transporters on Discovery are telepathic and are powered by human thought. They can take you anyplace in the universe you think of including other people's dreams.

Jason
I have wondered why they have never used that function of the spore drive. Even before it was working right, Lorca was able to show off a remote-viewing function of DASH drive to Burnham, when he gave her a tour of various worlds. But they never showed why that worked, but moving the ship did not, or why they wasn't used later for pretty obvious tactical reasons.
 
The one thing that always confused me, is, when someone from the away team says "five to beam up" at the end of the adventure. How does the transporter chief know who to beam up, in cases where someone dies, or they're taking someone from the surface with them.
Yeah, I've wondered about that one, especially in cases where they're bringing someone from the surface with them. Best I can come up with is the transporter chief makes a lucky guess and this being TV, of course they don't screw it up.

Writing this post just gave me an idea for an awesome joke they could do on Lower Decks.
 
It seemed that talking to the spores was fairly straightforward. Making them do one's bidding wasn't though, so all they would do is show their holiday photos.

We don't know if Lorca saw what Burnham saw. Probably his narration isn't in sync with what we see, and the Preserver/Ba'ul obelisk isn't on "a moon of Andoria" at all.

Timo Saloniemi
 
The one thing that always confused me, is, when someone from the away team says "five to beam up" at the end of the adventure. How does the transporter chief know who to beam up, in cases where someone dies, or they're taking someone from the surface with them.

Logically, the 4 people standing closest to the person saying 5 to beam up should be the ones who want to go. And the people on the ground would know that the transporter operator would assume that. I don't know if we see that idea get obviously violated anywhere.
 
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