Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x13 - "That Hope Is You, Part 2"

How big is it inside Discovery? The ship must be massive.
Yeah, the Burn turned out to be stupid. Go figure. Some of the action was nice. Glad that Nilsson was back at the end.

 

let’s see how many episodes go by before she disobeys Vance

 

I love the Roddenberry quote they used on the end credits too. Jotted that one down somewhere.

 

Yes, Michelle Paradise mentioned that was added recently.

 

Season 4. Episode 1. Act 1. The Teaser.

 

I'm hoping we haven't seen the last of Saru. Giving his character a mentoring role was a nice touch, but it felt a ittle final.

 

Going to take a wild guess it's roughly the same number of episodes before Kirk decided to disobey Starfleet's orders.

It doesn't feel to me like they gave it up, so much as evolved past it. That's really how it should be. As much as I enjoyed seeing Burnham busted all the way down to nothing and working her way back up in seasons 1 and 2, I'm looking forward to them moving past that in season 4.

 

as far as I remember Kirk disobeys once in the series, to save Spock. His reputation is unwarranted.

 

I was ranting last night - visceral reaction - but the thing that I really can't get is any sense around why on earth Burnham is Captain.

Admiral Oded Fehr started off strong. He was going to redistribute crews and balance things out and that made sense. He was having none of their crap.

I know, story wise, that ain't gonna happen. So they do their appeal to stay together. That's fine, it's TV... that's how it works.

What makes no sense is that Burnham being the insubordinate hothead that she is gets demoted... yet for some reason keeps on turning up in briefings etc. The Admiral should have said "What's she doing here?" every time.

Then you have Ensign Wesley Adele whatshername being First Officer, which is just so absurd it hurts. Again they have a Federation they would have had a candidate. I mean just imagine the navy putting an ensign as second in command rather than one from another ship.

Then Burham says something like "We haven't always seen eye to eye" to the admiral. That's the lazy writing that I love. You just kind of imply there's a deep history, of complicated conflict. Of nuance. Not about 20 minutes of screen time together, and by eye to eye she might mean "I'm insubordinate." To even imply she's on some level to even see the Admiral is daft. She should have little to no contact. That's not how chain of command works. Wesley Crusher wasn't down there speaking to the Admirals at Starfleet command. Worf or Geordi weren't. There's a reason.

And then suddenly, she's Captain? WHY? HOW? WHY? WHY? How? Why? The whole federation, he hasn't got a captain for a ship? He's going to promote some low ranking office who's not even in the top command structure, right to the top to manage Ensign First Officer. Do they have no crew in the Federation? (Meanwhile writing out the one actually VERY GOOD character out: Saru.)

Then yeah play the TOS theme because... look over there.

This obsession with Burnham.. this fetish that she must be absolutely everything, all singing all dancing at all times is the undoing of this show. It's like fan fiction, where the author has written herself into it. That's what it reminds me of.

One final thought, does anyone have any info on this... why the absurd holographic story so Saru was Human-looking? I wonder if they didn't want to Kelpians talking at length for fear viewers would confuse them.

 

We blamed the stupid writers all the time...

They got a mention in the mirror universe 2 parter.

These are a few of my fave-or-rite things...

Can the Superman starship also be a TARDIS? With the proportionate strength of a spider? That can use the force? Infected with the protomolecule? Shaped like the Orville? Filled with aliens designed by Jim Henson? Introduced each episode by Rod Serling? That you can't take the sky from?

I really don't feel like Stamets needs any redemption for that extremely believable reaction.

Though I don't remember them getting a say in that...

That strikes me as more cynical and contrarian than "gutsy".

Seriously? That list includes things like disobeying MU starfleet by not killing people, being rude to (not disobeying) the idiot in Trouble with Tribbles, leaving the Galileo crew behind at space normal speed (not disobeying), and the movies (how many episodes in were they?).

Doug Jones says on Ready Room that he's excited to see where Saru goes from here, so presumably he'll be there in some capacity.

 

Or recognizing that Discovery was super valuable they gave her super duper shields. I can buy that - fits the situation.

 

I was disappointed by how much Stamets was side-lined in this episode and barley featured. I hope in season 4 the writers don't just drop what happened between him and Michael.

 

Candle ghost is definitely up there with the salamanders. The TOS stuff I saw for the first time after I was old enough to know that show has loads of camp 60s nonsense so doesn't bother me but I honestly don't remember Picard's evil twin. Do you mean Riker ?

 

We need more Ghost sex dammit.

 

Uhm, the only other episode in this list I feel justified is A Private Little war and even that was just a general order, not a direct one, disregarded within his powers. The rest of the list is extremely biased (just talking about the TOS episodes).

no, I think they just wanted to show Doug Jones without makeup for a while. Nothing wrong with that.