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SPOILERS - Wonder Woman 1984 - Review Thread

There was a magic wishing gem, that was practically a genie.

It was a cursed god thing.... From a Mayan Trickster god who was not Loki. Probably. Probably not.
He was not Loki, it was The Duke of Deception, who was a servant of Ares in the comics.
The irritating thing for me (and this is something I blame on Johns rather than Jenkins) is the continued tendency of movies to use comic book names for characters who have no semblance to their namesakes.Why not just change the name? The general public has no clue who Minerva and Lord are anyway--why not just create original characters.
I think the origin for Cheetah here was fairly close to the new origin they introduced for her in the Rebirth comics. I think the biggest difference was that she got her powers from the stone, instead from a god.
 

Ares is, like Max Lord, a clever kind of avatar, almost a stand-in, for the real issue that Diana has to struggle with.

The moment that elevates WW's story, for me, is the moment of Diana's disillusionment about what she's fighting.

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Ares is a red herring. Lord is a red herring. Villains you can punch through a wall are the easy enemy with an easy answer. Human greed, avarice, hatred...those are universal and endemic to the species.
 
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He was not Loki, it was The Duke of Deception, who was a servant of Ares in the comics.

I think the origin for Cheetah here was fairly close to the new origin they introduced for her in the Rebirth comics. I think the biggest difference was that she got her powers from the stone, instead from a god.

Probably still Loki.

On Supernatural Loki turned out to be a fake ID that the Arch Angel Gabriel used while travelling.
 
Seems silly to dislike a movie when you only got half of the experience.

Of course, but I am not in a rush to go to a cinema during Covid. The drive-in was a great option, until it wasn't. Not spending even more $$$ to discover the problem was with the car's FM and not the fault of the drive-in.

The first WW was great. This one was annoying for many reasons beyond faulty sound.
 
Max Shreck is the only major villian I can think of who was created in and for a movie.

Batman Wiki says:

"Shreck may also be a reference to Max Zorin, Bond villain played by Christopher Walken in A View to a Kill. Like Shreck, Zorin sought to make colossal wealth through a monopoly, in that case the destruction of Silicon Valley, which gave his electronics firm a monopoly on the world market for a long time. Like Shreck, Zorin resorted to defenestration after someone refused to go along with his plans, whereby an investor was thrown out of a blimp after he refused to endorse Zorin's plans to destroy Silicon Valley (unlike Selina, who considered it unethical, the investor said the investment amount was too expensive).

"In Daniel Waters' earliest drafts... Max Shreck was originally written to be Harvey Dent. The explosion at the end of the film was only supposed to scar Dent, which would then lead to him becoming Two-Face...

In another one of Waters' drafts, Shreck was discovered to be the Penguin's older brother, the "Golden Boy" of the Cobblepot Family, whereas the Penguin was the deformed outsider. Shreck was supposedly ashamed of his father, after he threw his baby brother into the sewer, and he emancipated himself from the Cobblepot Family as soon as he came of age. Shreck's name was a reference to the German actor, Max Schreck."

If you couldn’t hear it, how do you know? Like your complaint about them not explaining the stone when they did, in detail.

WW84 was not compelling enough for me to return to a cinema during a Covid outbreak. I did not need clear sound for the numerous, seemingly endless, dialogue-free, action scenes that bored me silly.

I already said I intend to buy the Blu-Ray when it comes out.
 
That’s cool but I wish they would make another Superman movie. About time the king got a sequel
I don't, Superman has already had a starring role in 7 live action movies, 2 serials, had a starring role in 9 animated movies, and was part of an ensemble in, 5 live action TV series with a 6th on the way, and 3 animated series. And that's not counting all of the co-starring and ensembles roles he's played in other movies and shows. That's plenty of attention, so I'm more than happy to see other characters getting a chance to have some time in the spotlight.
If they do more Superman movies, I'll gladly go see them, but they're not something I'm anxious for.
 
Ares is, like Max Lord, a clever kind of avatar, almost a stand-in, for the real issue that Diana has to struggle with.

The moment that elevates WW's story, for me, is the moment of Diana's disillusionment about what she's fighting.

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Ares is a red herring. Lord is a red herring. Villains you can punch through a wall are the easy answer. Human greed, avarice, hatred...those are universal and endemic to the species.

That is a great moment in the film (I just rewatched it two days ago, ahead of watching WW84).

That scene also shows how good Pine is at playing the 'flawed hero". He has a similar moment in Into Darkness where he hands off command to Spock while saying something like "I don't know what I should do. I only know what I have to do." (or something similar). In each case, the character is showing how he still has a noble intention but doesn't have all the answers. Makes him far more relatable than a cocksure "hero" like a Judge Dredd "I am THE LAW" type (as amusing as the latter can be on occasion). That quality of "flawed hero" also shines through in Hell or High Water (with Jeff Bridges and Ben Foster).

I know it won't happen (nor does it need to happen) but if ever they were going to reboot the Indiana Jones series, Pine would be at the top of the list as far as I'm concerned.
 
Reading around Facebook and watching a bit of Youtube, I'm shocked - absolutely shocked! - that this flick has triggered the White Male Online Defense Squad. :guffaw:
As a form of "battle training" (read: torture), the WMODS should have its recruits watch, in a loop, both Wonder Woman movies, the Star Wars sequel trilogy, plus Rogue One, Hidden Figures, Proud Mary, Birds of Prey, Watchmen (HBO series), Alias, and any other movie with a kickass female action/lbrainy lead that I'm currently forgetting. They're not all great films, but they all share the trait of offending the WMODS. For that reason alone, they're worthy viewing. I'm thinking, for maximum effect, they should be in Clockwork Orange style viewing chairs (and eyewear).
 
Torture to some, a great time for others. The only ones of those I haven't seen yet are Hidden Figures and Watchmen. I do have HBOMax now, so I'll be watching Watchmen eventually.
 
I love this:



That's it in a nutshell. That's why WWI and Max Lord, instead of Thanos. To me it makes all the difference.

Well, it might work better if there was more to it than flowery speeches. She still wasn't above killing Ares and taking down Cheetah.

Really, the whole time she was with resurrected Steve she was at her worst. She rapes the body of a man who has no say over it and doesn't once give a thought for his well-being. She doesn't care she stole the guy's life from him and Steve himself has to say "You have to let me go" and even then she's still reluctant to do so.

Steve Trevor comes off as the bigger hero between the two of them in this movie.
 
Honestly, the entire movie I thought the guy had died and Steve took over his body. It was not until the final scene that it was made clear this was not the case.
 
Honestly, the entire movie I thought the guy had died and Steve took over his body. It was not until the final scene that it was made clear this was not the case.
And even then--perhaps the guy died and was brought back when Diana renounced her wish. (I don't know, probably not, but nothing in the film specifically contradicts this possibility).
 
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