Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x07 - "Unification III"

[Danny99]

I'm not DSC's biggest fan but his argument is more tiresome than a marathon of a Trek series' worst episodes. I mean, don't watch if you don't like it.

I have many things I don't like about DSC but I still like it a lot more than I don't and give the show a chance, enjoying most episodes to one degree or another. "This Ruins Canon" isn't an argument and I'm the pedantic nerd who cringes about the Klingon makeup change with no in-universe explanation from the producers.

Anyone can hate anything for any reason but if they want me to take their complaints seriously and agree with them those reasons had better be good.

The whole canon argument bugs me. I don't expect every writer to get every little tidbit or throwaway line ever spoken, just the broader strokes. I thought it was a mistake to stick Discovery in the original era they did because it was going to bump up against the established timeline when you literally could stick it anywhere else in time, but I wasn't going to hate it because the ship might look more advanced. I am perfectly fine with the real world explanation that TOS was made with no money and the series and movies that followed were made with money and advancing technology, whether that comes to the Discovery having touch screen controls or the Klingons having ridges.

I don't think it's the best written series, but I bet I can cherrypick other episodes from earlier series that are far worse. The Alternative Factor, Code of Honor, Move Along Home, countless Voyager episodes, A Night In Sickbay. The show has had several show runners if I'm not mistaken, which doesn't help keep a straight course for the writers to follow.

 

[TRON JA307020]

I'm not DSC's biggest fan but his argument is more tiresome than a marathon of a Trek series' worst episodes. I mean, don't watch if you don't like it.

I have many things I don't like about DSC but I still like it a lot more than I don't and give the show a chance, enjoying most episodes to one degree or another. "This Ruins Canon" isn't an argument and I'm the pedantic nerd who cringes about the Klingon makeup change with no in-universe explanation from the producers.

Anyone can hate anything for any reason but if they want me to take their complaints seriously and agree with them those reasons had better be good.

There are some things I like which I have mentioned before. Visual canon is important. Why during the first season did they go out of their way to make everything look completely different to that period of trek. I’m not just talking the tech. I’m talking the uniforms and the general look of the ship interior style itself. This wasn’t how things looked in that period. Even the view screens are completely changed. They changed for the sake of change nothing more.

 

[Tuskin38]

Book’s powers manifest for a second or two in this episode

https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1333085046396358661?s=21

 

[Nerys Myk]

Visual canon is important.

Not it's not. It might even be the least important thing.

 

[CorporalClegg]

If visual canon had any importance at all, recastings wouldn't be a thing.

*And every anachronism in history films would be more than answers to trivia questions.

 

[Tuskin38]

If visual canon had any importance at all, recastings wouldn't be a thing.

We wouldn't have gotten redesigned Klingons in TMP.

 

[fireproof78]

There are some things I like which I have mentioned before. Visual canon is important. Why during the first season did they go out of their way to make everything look completely different to that period of trek. I’m not just talking the tech. I’m talking the uniforms and the general look of the ship interior style itself. This wasn’t how things looked in that period. Even the view screens are completely changed. They changed for the sake of change nothing more.

They followed Gene Roddenberry's lead.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They followed Gene Roddenberry's lead.

Which is why TMP looks like a film made in the late 70's not the late 60's.

 

[NCC-73515]

Afraid not. You should watch “Through the Valley of Shadows” again.

Nothing in that episode said anything about the intro. Perhaps you should watch the intro again?
And read about the intro here: https://www.artofthetitle.com/title/star-trek-discovery/

As the concept continued to develop, Prologue’s Trek expert (Trekspert?) Mattila found himself having to keep his inner geek in check. “In the opening bit where the blueprints of the ship come on and you see all these crystals go by, those are dilithium crystals — that’s the stuff that powers the warp drive,” explains Mattila.

Dilithium crystals in the Star Trek: Discovery main titles.

A shower of dilithium would represent the warp drive, humanity’s first contact with an alien species would be represented by the well-known Vulcan salute, the discovery of the Klingons would be symbolized by the bat’leth sword, and so on. The team also highlighted the creation of various pieces of key Star Trek technology, such as the communicator, the phaser, and the transporter, often using the devices and their functions as transitional elements between the vignettes.

 

[fireproof78]

Which is why TMP looks like a film made in the late 70's not the late 60's.

Indeed, yes. More than that, Roddenberry want to move away from a lot of the stylings and attitudes of TOS. The Klingons were changed and it was always supposed to look that way. And, that the TOS episodes were just dramatic recreations of Kirk's missions, overblown hype and all.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

OMG I have to slap myself with a brick. I just realized the admiral is the main bad guy in Blood & Treasure and he has the same hairstyle and beard.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Visual continuity is nice to have, but not if the original canon was forced to look just plain silly by the technological limitations of the time.

 

[TRON JA307020]

An apt analogy to the sort of whining fans go through when faced with the slightest change to Star Trek.

It wasn’t an analogy.

 

[Iconian]

I've noticed in the last two or three eps that besides the brief interactions with Vance, Willa and the possible section 31 guy, there's pretty much no exchange between Discovery's crew and Starfleet's 32nd century personnel.

Since Discovery is now part of the team and has only a skeleton crew, it would only be natural if some personnel from future Starfleet were assigned to the ship.

In time travel stories such as this, it's generally from such interactions that the travelers and us, the viewers, get to know the differences between the past and the future.

Since Discovery rejoined Starfleet, things are developing in such a business as usual way that it feels like a lost opportunity.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Did anyone notice when Disco did it's spore jump the nacelles reattach?

 

[Tim Thomason]

It wasn’t an analogy.

Are you suggesting that someone was actually tearing their clothes off in response to Star Trek? Oh my.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Getting naked. True to Roddenberry's vision.

 

[eschaton]

Didn’t PIC unveil the terrible tentacle monsters from beyond right at the end? I can’t remember exactly when the entire universe again became imminently imperiled, but it seems like it was pretty late — the last couple of episodes. Or am I misremembering?

In terms of the actual reveal, it was in the penultimate episode, it's true. However, the Zhat Vash prophecies lent somewhat of a sense of foreboding to the season arc, what with the whole "destroyer of all" thing. I still can't believe they decided to make the threat genuine, and not just an allegory for racism/xenophobia, but still, you can't say it wasn't telegraphed.

In contrast, absolutely nothing has been telegraphed as of yet in Discovery Season 3. At least, nothing in terms of danger.

 

[Tim Thomason]

In terms of the actual reveal, it was in the penultimate episode, it's true. However, the Zhat Vash prophecies lent somewhat of a sense of foreboding to the season arc, what with the whole "destroyer of all" thing. I still can't believe they decided to make the threat genuine, and not just an allegory for racism/xenophobia, but still, you can't say it wasn't telegraphed.

In contrast, absolutely nothing has been telegraphed as of yet in Discovery Season 3. At least, nothing in terms of danger.

They've namedropped the Emerald Chain leader a few times (Osyraa) who's "getting more brazen by the day" and attacking Federation planets for unknown reasons. She's probably going to be a big deal when she shows up. A crime boss who doesn't want these time travellers messing up the status quo would be a refreshing change of pace to these crazy multiversal threats we keep having.

 

[StarMan]

I'm not DSC's biggest fan but his argument is more tiresome than a marathon of a Trek series' worst episodes. I mean, don't watch if you don't like it.

I have many things I don't like about DSC but I still like it a lot more than I don't and give the show a chance, enjoying most episodes to one degree or another. "This Ruins Canon" isn't an argument and I'm the pedantic nerd who cringes about the Klingon makeup change with no in-universe explanation from the producers.

Anyone can hate anything for any reason but if they want me to take their complaints seriously and agree with them those reasons had better be good.

Indeed. If someone's only beef with Discovery is perceived canon violations, I'm envious.