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Spoilers Robert Meyer Burnett: "Terra Firma" will ruin Trek canon

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Jayson1 said:
I think this is also a big reason for all canon issues. Does it FEEL connected in some way. TOS is very different from TNG but both were created by Berman.
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Please, please, please tell me this is a typo. I'm pretty sure you meant to say Roddenberry. :p

We had classic TOS actors playing their characters in several episodes.
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You make it sound like it was a regular thing. It wasn't. McCoy, Spock, and Scotty showed up once each in TNG respectively. And McCoy's appearance was strictly a cameo.
 
Serveaux said:
Those of us who really liked it got very annoyed at the level and kinds of criticism leveled at it.
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Ahhhhh....the irony is strong with you.

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Lord Garth said:
Please, please, please tell me this is a typo. I'm pretty sure you meant to say Roddenberry. :p


You make it sound like it was a regular thing. It wasn't. McCoy, Spock, and Scotty showed up once each in TNG respectively. And McCoy's appearance was strictly a cameo.
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Yep it was a typo. Good thing I didn't say Kurtzman because the place would explode.:)


Jason
 
In my head the Klingon look in the 2250s of DSC is because the Empire has been trying to reverse the effects of the Augment Virus with - at best - a mixed record of success. By TMP some fifteen to sixteen years later the Empire has successfully dealt with the virus and its cosmetic and other biological effects but in DSC's time you're seeing how a century of Klingon science has both succeeded as well as failed to reverse the ravages of the Augment Virus and there are still a number of years to come before the process is considered finished.
 
Jayson1 said:
Would have if Fuller hadn't been fired since he use to write for Voyager
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Probably not. He's the one who approved the new Klingon looks, both ships and makeup. He's also the one that wanted all the Fed ships to look flat. It's clear he wanted to do his own take on Star Trek.
 
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Tuskin38 said:
Probably not. He's the one who approved the new Klingon looks, both ships and makeup. He's also the one that wanted all the Fed ships to look flat. It's clear he wanted to do his own take on Star Trek.
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That's true but I think he also wanted the more classic looking TOS uniforms and he also wanted the show to explore different points in time maybe with different crews. I get the impression he wanted to explore all the established time periods in Trek. TOS and Post TOS movies, TNG era and post TNG with one show.


Jason
 
Jayson1 said:
SO is this the place to talk about how The Orville is the real Trek show these days.:whistle::evil:

Jason
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I'd actually be happier if a multiverse story did involve the Orville. That would be a fun addition, though the heads exploding on here would be insane.
 
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Airmandan said:
I'd actually be happier if a multiverse story did involve the Orville. That would be a fun addition, though the heads exploding on here would be insane.
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I would love for it as well. I even wonder if McFarlande might try and make it canon in a sneaky way. Bring on a actor from classic Trek who will be playing their Trek character and we know it because the personality is the same even though they never call him or her by name. Maybe you get Frakes to play the RIker of this universe but you never say Rikerout loud. He tells Ed to just call me Will or Captain. Challenges the crew to a poker game. Flirts with Kelly. Mentions he plays a musical instrument.


Jason
 
That’s my head canon as well - Klingon look comes from trying to cure the Augment virus.
 
Hythlodeus said:
the difference is: Humans are not a fictional species. Klingons are. And personally I prefer innovation over stagnation and good, alien looking designs for...well aliens instead of a couple of foreheadbumps and outdated make up choices.
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so by your logic there should be no iconic aliens, everyone needsto just switch every time some asshole producer comes along. So youd be fine with Vulcan that are blue-skinned, with four eyes, and three Tails coming out of their ass because that's different. I can't wait to see a Gorn but it's actually a mammal with fur, or bajorans that are all cyclops.

NCC-73515 said:
odd that a non-existing federation has an impressive high-tech HQ base, several massive starships, a flying forest, and 38 member worlds :guffaw:
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the real the real Federation has a lot more than 38 fucking worlds, it also has ships whose engines are powered by dilithium. It also doesn't have random mercenary assholes tell people that they're gone because they're too massive for anyone to deny they exist, they're the main power in the alpha quadrant.

So yeah, like was plainly stated in the first episode of this rancid STD, the Federation was destroyed. That's why the moron who meets Burnham says it's been gone since before he was born. He is a moron, but if the Federation existed it would be literally impossible to not notice it because you'd probably be a part of it if you lived in the alpha quadrant.

But in actual Star Trek also has dilthium that doesn't magically stopped working, along with klingons, andorians, onions and tellarites that don't look like absolute shitthen . in the end this STD is no more canon then the Abrams movies, the only difference being that the Abrams movies didn't pretend that they weren't to reboot. Also, the reboot movies kicked kurtzman off and actually made a good movie, so maybe when this asshole leaves Star Trek TV we'll get a good series from the STD universe, although i doubt it..

If it wasn't for Picard and Lower Decks, this would be the worst period in the franchises history, and STD is definitely the worst thing to ever have the Star Trek name
 
kirk55555 said:
he real the real Federation has a lot more than 38 fucking worlds, it also has ships whose engines are powered by dilithium. It also doesn't have random mercenary assholes tell people that they're gone because they're too massive for anyone to deny they exist, they're the main power in the alpha quadrant.
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There is no such thing as the Federation. It's a fictional organization and any details about it depend on the story that is being told. It's a TV show, not the actual future. Treating it like it's real is delusional.
 
kirk55555 said:
the real the real Federation has a lot more than 38 fucking worlds, it also has ships whose engines are powered by dilithium. It also doesn't have random mercenary assholes tell people that they're gone because they're too massive for anyone to deny they exist, they're the main power in the alpha quadrant.
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how do you define your "real federation"?
do you know that disco s3 is set in 3189?
disco s3 also established that the federation had 350 or so member worlds at its peak, so now you gotta love it ;)
 
Awesome Possum said:
There is no such thing as the Federation. It's a fictional organization and any details about it depend on the story that is being told. It's a TV show, not the actual future. Treating it like it's real is delusional.
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acting like this universe shouldn't have consistency, or doesn't have a past is the delusional thinking. The show doesn't get to just get rid of everything and pretend like that's how it's always been.

The past matters. they either and need to acknowledge this is a new universe, or follow the rules and history that actually talented people made up long before these assholes got their hands on it.

NCC-73515 said:
how do you define your "real federation"?
do you know that disco s3 is set in 3189?
disco s3 also established that the federation had 350 or so member worlds at its peak, so now you gotta love it ;)
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STD basically set in Another Universe based off the Abrams universe. Federation is also still at its peak, at least in the actual universe regardless of the time period.

The real Federation is a large collection of Worlds that came together, and are still together, and never had any dumb ass fuckng dilithium explosion bulshit. Also, actual Star Trek does not take place in 3189, and if it did the Federation would have probably over a thousand worlds, along with as much fucking dilithium is they could use.

Awesome Possum said:
The only thing real in Star Trek is the set and props.
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Then why even watch the damn show with that attitude?
 
kirk55555 said:
acting like this universe shouldn't have consistency, or doesn't have a past is the delusional thinking. The show doesn't get to just get rid of everything and pretend like that's how it's always been.

The past matters. they either and need to acknowledge this is a new universe, or follow the rules and history that actually talented people made up long before these assholes got their hands on it.
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Nothing is static. In the USA, there used to be 13 states, now there are 50. In the future there may be more or there may be less or the USA may not exist. This isn't inconsistency, it's just change. The Federation in the reality of the show grew and expanded to other 350 worlds, then disaster struck and worlds left. It's been explained pretty well why the Federation has shrunk in size and status. You're an adult, I shouldn't have to explain to you that because things were once one way doesn't mean it will always stay that way. It's something to be expected.

kirk55555 said:
The real Federation is a large collection of Worlds that came together, and are still together, and never had any dumb ass fuckng dilithium explosion bulshit. Also, actual Star Trek does not take place in 3189, and if it did the Federation would have probably over a thousand worlds, along with as much fucking dilithium is they could use.
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The "real" Federation is whatever Star Trek says it is. That's how this works.
 
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