Poll USS Discovery after retrofit

[ITDUDE]

I wasn't expecting the A designation on the same "retrofitted" ship.

Calypso now has a continuity error right?

Parallel Universe

 

[KepperC]

Fleet Command mobile game spoilers:

Spoiler

Discovery can reconfigure itself, and detach its main spinny circle bit the bridge is on and travel.

 

[137th Gebirg]

But then wouldn’t they have named it the Discovery-M or something, if they really wanted to fool people into thinking it was a more contemporary ship?

They would then have to explain why there is no Discovery B-L on record

Maybe my point wasn’t clear. Why would they need to ‘disguise’ the Discovery as a new ship at all? Who cares if it’s the null, the ‘A,’ or the ‘M’?

What I find even more odd, is that there apparently had not ever been another vessel in 900 years to bear the name "Discovery". Considering Starfleet's mission has always been one of exploration, I find it strange that they would have permanently retired that name so easily after she went missing in the 23rd. By this time, there should easily have been an 'A' through 'M' or even beyond, since so many of these ships by now seem to have generational postfix letter designations. It's not like her name and reputation were ever dishonored or viewed as a failure.

Hell, even Picard served on a 24th century ship named "Reliant", and some folks have mentioned that there may have even been another one in the 32nd century spacedock, so the name was obviously not smeared by Khan's hijacking and subsequent destruction of their first namesake.

 

[SG-17]

It wouldn't be the first time in military history that the name of a vessel was retired after its loss.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Well, sure, but that usually happens when the vessel serves with exceptional and verifiable distinction, much like when they retire someone's jersey number in professional sports. Everything about Discovery's mission was classified from the very beginning, from their spore drive shenanigans, to their trip to the MU, to the final battle with S31 and Control. All of it was buried and none of it was publicly known.

Everything about Discovery was ostensibly... unremarkable. So why not ever eventually reuse it within 900 years after it just simply went "missing"?

 

[KirkusOveractus]

What I find even more odd, is that there apparently had not ever been another vessel in 900 years to bear the name "Discovery". Considering Starfleet's mission has always been one of exploration, I find it strange that they would have permanently retired that name so easily after she went missing in the 23rd. By this time, there should easily have been an 'A' through 'M' or even beyond, since so many of these ships by now seem to have generational postfix letter designations. It's not like her name and reputation were ever dishonored or viewed as a failure.

Hell, even Picard served on a 24th century ship named "Reliant", and some folks have mentioned that there may have even been another one in the 32nd century spacedock, so the name was obviously not smeared by Khan's hijacking and subsequent destruction of their first namesake.

In some cases, ships' names have been given to newer ships without using the registry number (I'm thinking only certain more remarkable ships, like Enterprise and Voyager, would have numbers reused).

On-screen precedent is in something like Nemesis, where I think the screen in Cartography listed Yorktown and Intrepid but with newer registry numbers.

 

[137th Gebirg]

True, but a lot can happen in 900 years. If the Tikov also has a letter, evidence suggests that it may have become a more common practice for Starfleet to letter names, not just the famous ones, especially if they're so willing to add an "A" to Discovery without it really being a 100% whole brand-new ship.

 

[Deks]

Well, sure, but that usually happens when the vessel serves with exceptional and verifiable distinction, much like when they retire someone's jersey number in professional sports. Everything about Discovery's mission was classified from the very beginning, from their spore drive shenanigans, to their trip to the MU, to the final battle with S31 and Control. All of it was buried and none of it was publicly known.

Everything about Discovery was ostensibly... unremarkable. So why not ever eventually reuse it within 900 years after it just simply went "missing"?

Unremarkable?
She (or rather, her crew) developed the spore drive (which was suppressed by Starfleet intelligence)
She went into the MU, survived and came back after taking care of the Terran Empire's attempt at harvesting the Mycelial network as an energy source which could have destroyed everything (again, suppressed by SI, but still Starfleet knew about it).
She fought in the Federation/Klingon war and managed to bring the fight to the end.
She also fought against Control (which Starfleet knew about).

Granted, some of the things such as the MU stuff and Spore drive were concealed by Starfleet intentionally... and the circumstances of Discovery's disappearance were not made clear to Starfleet by Enterprise crew for security precautions... and all claimed instead the ship was destroyed (which was officiated by Starfleet).

So, given the available data (and that concealed by Starfleet), there's enough to say that Disco served with exceptional and verifiable distinction which would prevent further use of her name.

 

[Styleset]

I guess they're giving her the "-A" as a homage to the "Enterprise-A" for refit.
So in all this time, they didn't use "Discovery" again for other StarShips or if they had, they're WAAAYYYY past "-A"?

I am guessing that the "A" is attached more to the registry than the name. It seemed distinctive that ships named Enterprise got to keep the 1701 registry. All other ships have more numbers over time. There may have been many ships named "Discovery" just not with 1031 registry. So giving Voyager the "J" means that the name had become special as well, maintaining a similar silhouette like the many Enterprises have.

 

[Yistaan]

So did Discovery get a holodeck? We haven't had a holodeck malfunction episode since the 1990s!

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

So did Discovery get a holodeck? We haven't had a holodeck malfunction episode since the 1990s!

 

[Gepard]

Not sure I like the automotive underbody light kits on the nacelles or the pentagonal deflector, but the blended underside to the secondary hull and pylons is nice; that was the one area of the seasons 1 and 2 design that always seemed clumsy and unrefined.

 

[Yistaan]

So how are Discovery starship toys going to work with the detached nacelles?

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

So how are Discovery starship toys going to work with the detached nacelles?

Same as the old light up Enterprise D with the detachable nacelles

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

So Calypso did air in a Parallel Universe.

 

[Search4]

Well, sure, but that usually happens when the vessel serves with exceptional and verifiable distinction, much like when they retire someone's jersey number in professional sports. Everything about Discovery's mission was classified from the very beginning, from their spore drive shenanigans, to their trip to the MU, to the final battle with S31 and Control. All of it was buried and none of it was publicly known.

Everything about Discovery was ostensibly... unremarkable. So why not ever eventually reuse it within 900 years after it just simply went "missing"?

Spock did it.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Unremarkable?
She (or rather, her crew) developed the spore drive (which was suppressed by Starfleet intelligence)
She went into the MU, survived and came back after taking care of the Terran Empire's attempt at harvesting the Mycelial network as an energy source which could have destroyed everything (again, suppressed by SI, but still Starfleet knew about it).
She fought in the Federation/Klingon war and managed to bring the fight to the end.
She also fought against Control (which Starfleet knew about).

I did say ostensibly unremarkable, meaning based on public appearances. The reality was certainly anything but, however as far as the rest of the Federation was concerned outside the narrow confines of the Starfleet upper echelons, literally nothing of note ever happened. A far cry from Enterprise and Kirk being household names on the mouths of every Federation citizen only a few short years later.

Granted, some of the things such as the MU stuff and Spore drive were concealed by Starfleet intentionally... and the circumstances of Discovery's disappearance were not made clear to Starfleet by Enterprise crew for security precautions... and all claimed instead the ship was destroyed (which was officiated by Starfleet).

All of which, as I've pointed out, is exactly why they've disappeared into obscurity. Not sure what your argument is here. You basically agreed with me.

So, given the available data (and that concealed by Starfleet), there's enough to say that Disco served with exceptional and verifiable distinction which would prevent further use of her name.

And yet, you make a sentence which directly contradicts your previous sentence. If literally everything Disco did was classified and concealed, to admit that it served with distinction violates the classified nature of their mission. That's not how it works unless they have some X25 or X50 declassification time-stamp later on down the road (25 or 50 years), which is unlikely considering all the wacky shit they did. Otherwise, this whole notion contravenes the nature of said-classification in the first place.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Spock did it.

Spock did what? Use the "Discovery" name somewhere? When did this happen?

 

[Awesome Possum]

So how are Discovery starship toys going to work with the detached nacelles?

Clear plastic parts.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Clear plastic parts.

Yep! That's exactly what I was thinking, even for the Eaglemoss models. There could even be smoky plastic, lucite or plexiglas to simulate when the engines have just detached. To light the engines, a light in the hull, at the base of the plastic can shine up into the engines with little visibility in between.