Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x05 - "Die Trying"

[NCC-73515]

Hm... The Voyager-J was a little odd, but the USS Nog was nice.
They officially acknowledged Burnham's emotional exaggeration XD
The Federation went from 350 to 38 members
32nd century holograms can be deactivated by ...blinking.
Reference to the opening of Mirror Darkly!
The Emperor finally has a good scene!
Is Giotto the new Gazelle? XD
The music mystery could be interesting.
Was the Emperor replaced by a hologram, or can she be shaken to the core like that by talking to Cronenberg?

 

[tomalak301]

Reference to the opening of Mirror Darkly!

We also got a Temporal Cold War reference with the Temporal Accords. I'm actually really happy the Discovery writers seemed to watch a lot of Enterprise when they wrote this episode.

 

[Yistaan]

So what happened to Dr. Attis? Did they force him back for treatment? That wasn't clear. Also nice to see the new Voyager, does that mean we'll see Enterprise Z (or whatever)?

Also, it's just really jarring that Admiral Vance seems to have the "business as usual, go back to being grim about the Burn" attitude at the end. Discovery proved that they're legit and their spore drive works. When Burnham asked him about what caused the Burn, he should have said, "Who knows? Who cares now? Once we reverse engineer your spore drive, we're back to being a connected Federation again! Let's party!"

Ironically for a ship and characters that have been accused of being treated as "overly special" by some fans, the one time it really makes sense for characters in-universe to treat Burnham and Discovery as really special, they seem not to understand or respect Discovery as the game winner against the Burn that it is.

 

[thribs]

The registry number is NCC-74656-J so it's named after the original.

Is it? Voyager must have done something later on then.

 

[thribs]

Exactly. The Defiant in DS9 is a completely different registry number than the TOS ship, so no letter designation needed.

I meant the DS9 Defiant.
Pretty good episode. Loved the admiral. Everything he said made sense. I don’t get the confusion they had of splitting up the crew. That’s pretty common in militaries.
Didn’t much care for the seedling story. That was pretty mundane. Rather they focused more more on Starfleet headquarters and showing us the new ships.
Cronenberg interviewing Space Hitler and discussing the mirror universe was good. I was hoping they would go with the novels with Tiberius being the one who created the Cardassian/Klingon Alliance that defeated the Empire but I suppose that would be completely unnecessary information for the story. I wonder if they also became the Commonwealth afterwards, which would be a fun connection to Andromeda.

 

[mattman8907]

Also nice to see the new Voyager, does that mean we'll see Enterprise Z (or whatever)?

Wonder if we're see a descendant of Archer or Kirk captaining it.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Is it? Voyager must have done something later on then.

What, you mean other than be the first federation starship to traverse the delta quadrant and survive?

 

[Xerxus]

1) Burnham should have learned that covering for people's PTSD is not a good idea. Detmer absolutely should be taking a break/vacation at the HQ.

2) Nhan's actor was promoted to regular this season and now she's gone. It's nice to see some insight into their species. I don't think we knew anything more than that they had an unstable wormhole. Does this open up a spot for either Adira Tal or Cleaveland Booker to be a regular?

3) The mystery music... I don't think the emphasis on it is justified. It felt like a Doctor Who BAD WOLF or pointing out that there's an IMPOSSIBLE GIRL or whatever. It feels really bad and out of place for Michael to point it out.
The constant references to the time travel ban reinforces the idea that some of the Disco crew (Georgiou) will go back in time and maybe be the ones who introduces the song.

4) The MU getting further apart the reason related to why Georgiou was having a brain freeze? That her QUANTUM WHATEVER was being destabilized the longer she stays due to the distance, and is the reason why she has to go back?

 

[thribs]

What, you mean other than be the first federation starship to traverse the delta quadrant and survive?

It got lost and came back. Nothing special.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

On a lighter note, can we get screencaps of the USS Nog and the ship passing behind the space station? I would like to get a look at their registries.

Was it possible to see the registry of the USS Constitution?

And, the USS Tikhov has the registry NCC-1067-M. (I Googled the name Tikhov - there is a Russian astronomer of that name. Wikipedia describes him as a pioneer in astrobiology and the father of astrobotany.)

I was sad to see Nhan leave.

I might be misinterpreting something here, but I did not leave the episode feeling positive about this Federation/Starfleet. Something is not right.

 

[Precious Tritium]

I was actually annoyed when the episode cut away from Cronenberg. I could happily watch an entire episode with him Michelle Yeoh.

 

[thribs]

Shouldn’t the ships be smaller as they have Tardis tech by then?

 

[DaveyNY]

On a lighter note, can we get screencaps of the USS Nog and the ship passing behind the space station? I would like to get a look at their registries.

Was it possible to see the registry of the USS Constitution?

And, the USS Tikhov has the registry NCC-1067-M.

I was sad to see Nhan leave.

I might be misinterpreting something here, but I did not leave the episode feeling positive about this Federation/Starfleet. Something is not right.

Yeah, he didn't come right out and say it, but they are apparently just barely hanging on by a thread.

 

[Yistaan]

It also occurred to me that Discovery contacting the Federation in the 32nd century was probably the worst thing to do if they ever wanted to go back to the 23rd century. If they had sneaked around, stolen a time crystal (assuming they weren't all destroyed, but even then a Federation ban on time travel wouldn't extend to Klingons, etc.) and rebuilt the red angel suit from blueprints in their computer, or even stolen the equations for the slingshot maneuver, they could have gone back home and no one would have known or tried to stop them.

Now that Admiral Vance has conclusively found that Discovery was listed as destroyed in the 23rd century, he'll never let them go back in time, even outside of the time travel ban, as it would alter the past thousand years.

 

[Roboturner913]

The only way Voyager-J makes any sense to me at all is if subsequent ships named Voyager were sent on similarly crazy long missions and became the new face of exploration for the fleet. Then it "earns" that, but otherwise I thought it was too fanboyish. I couldn't make out other ship designs/names/numbers other than the Hammerhead looking one.

I did like that the crew was all geeked out about seeing the future. At first I thought it was cornball as shit but then I imagined myself seeing 900 years into the future and it would be hard to imagine myself reacting any other way.

Are we supposed to see Detmer now as just having some kind of PTSD issue? Or is it still something possibly related to her cybernetics and the sphere data?

The banter with Stammets/Tilly/Reno is good but they're at a real risk of overdoing/overwriting it. It feels like one one-liner too many sometimes in a scene.

The interaction between the historian guy and Georgiou was really cool. I could watch her chew on scenery all day but it seems like she kind of met her match and I wonder if historian guy may not be Terran himself somehow, or maybe Section 31 or some other nefarious entity.

I can only assume Georgiou at the end had been replaced with a hologram because of the weird non-blinking thing they had worked so hard to establish earlier in the episode.

I also wouldn't be suprised if much of the people in Starfleet/Federation at this point are holograms, maybe that even goes for the galaxy as a whole. Whatsherface said half the people she asked knew that music, well, that would make a lot of sense if it came from some sort of central programming.

 

[NCC-73515]

On a lighter note, can we get screencaps of the USS Nog and the ship passing behind the space station? I would like to get a look at their registries.

 

[tomalak301]

I missed the USS Nog. I too would like to see a screen cap If possible.

 

[Fateor]

It's odd how they would just declare that family dead instead of offering to transport them back to Starfleet headquarters where they could have a look at them with their 900+ year more advanced medical technology.

 

[Lord Garth]

A lot to take in about this episode. More than the first four combined.

• I didn't expect Nhan to stay behind.
• Starfleet Command did something to Georgiou. It's just a question of what.
• Detmer still needs help.
• It's definitely a good thing Saru is Captain and not Burnham. Or they would've been in huge trouble with the Admiral a number of times.
• The interrogation/debriefing scenes were interesting.
• I wonder if any 32nd Century crew will be assigned to the Discovery to fill its numbers?
• 32nd Century Android/Holograms are annoying as Hell. Thank God Zora won't be like that.
• Not much for Adira to do this episode.
• 32nd Century Starfleet feels a lot different. Or it's just odd to get used to. Something about it seems more... corporate/clinical?
• I love that they worked in the analogy that The Burn signaled The Dark Ages and Discovery's arrival would help to usher in the Renaissance. I know the Fandom Menace hates that idea, so that makes it even better.

I'll go with an 8.

 

[NCC-73515]

It's odd how they would just declare that family dead instead of offering to transport them back to Starfleet headquarters where they could have a look at them with their 900+ year more advanced medical technology.

I thought they're gonna do what the D did in The Neutral Zone