True, killing Gray in their moment of true love was a stretch. That's a fair point. I guess my tolerance for such things is pretty high in the Star Trek universe.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x04 - "Forget Me Not"
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True, killing Gray in their moment of true love was a stretch. That's a fair point. I guess my tolerance for such things is pretty high in the Star Trek universe.
The highly negative reviews I've read praised the ship story and ripped the Adira story.
For me it was clearly the reverse: The ship stuff was not very interesting, but the Adira stuff was powerful.
It shows that they are lying about the genetic viability of hosts which Adira further proves
Whoever wrote those reviews are morons. Straight men can happily enjoy a show based on women as long as they don't have some sad insecure hang up about their masculinity
I found all of it to be pretty basic run of the mill story and dialogue. I told the story it needed to tell about who they are and why she is host but I can't understand even a little bit how people are fawning over this like it's Oscar material
It's weird to me that so many people think Adira was only hallucinating Gray at the end of the episode even though you can't physically touch and feel a hallucination and Adira clearly touched and felt Gray (they made out, for crying out loud).
That was revealed in Equilibrium
Yes I know. But equilibrium also shows that Sisco and the Trill agreed to keep the secret. So to the general public in Star Trek the lie is still there to be popped
as a straight (human) male main character I didn’t notice it at all until pointed out and couldn’t care less.
What is she then if not just in her mind
I figured Gray was a sensory projection of Gray's consciousness which is integrated with the symbiont.
They posed the question directly in the episode.
“How are you here?”
“I don’t know”
it’s a mystery to be solved (or left unexplored and run with it).
But the implication is that this is something new (for Tal).
Although we have seen Dax interact with previous hosts in a similar way.
In the previous times, it was done via some Trill ritual. I'm guessing maybe the blending didn't go completely right.
Not really in the case of Joran, if I remember correctly?
Joran asserted himself and appeared for Jadzia without any ritual.
That was also a case of repressed memory incidentally.
Don’t remember if Ezri used a ritual to conjure him.
The Zhian'tara(sp?) ritual we saw in "Facets(DS9)"?
Ezri used something called the "Rite of Emergence" to summon him and he seemed to stay and just go around on his own until she directly dismissed him. Who knows, maybe Adira is subconsciously calling on Gray because of their romantic bond... but really, a current and a former host having mutual romantic feelings for each other is pretty much uncharted territory for what we know about joining, it could be anything behind it.
I don't see that as relevant. For example, who really cares what sexual orientation Culber was in that episode? His part in the drama was as a medical professional who (likely) has some knowledge about PTSD. He could have been heterosexual and that would have played out the same way. There were entire TOS episodes where even Kirk's sexual orientation was irrelevant. He could have been gay and those episodes would be exactly the same.
Even more to the point. the story of a love lost between two people is the same story whether the two people involved are hetero, trans, pan, or whatever. That doesn't change the story.
I was going to make the comparison anyway. (Just without the last line.)
Well Kirk hit on or slept with every woman he came across so they would have been real long episodes if we had to wait for him to get through all the men
Kirk loves women of all kind... but we all know there's only one man he loves.
At least according to slash fanfic writers. And what Gene Roddenberry, in his TMP novelization, tried his hardest to have Kirk deny... which might as well read like Kirk pulling a Bill Clinton. "I did not a sexual relations with that Vulcan!"
At least according to slash fanfic writers. And what Gene Roddenberry, in his TMP novelization, tried his hardest to have Kirk deny... which might as well read like Kirk pulling a Bill Clinton. "I did not a sexual relations with that Vulcan!"
Ha ha! Okay, maybe I should have used McCoy to make my point. But I think my point is still valid.
Sexual identity/orientation does not define everything about a character. It could be unknown or different and the character's actions in certain episodes would not change.
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