I don't know if it's a rivalry. I'm guessing that her outburst itself was out of the blue -- but as a direct result of what is likely PTSD.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x04 - "Forget Me Not"
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The robot doesn't know it's supposed to be impossible. Plus temporary joining is possible, its long term stability that's unheard of.
Yeah, I think she's just hurting really bad, and Stamets just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time at that dinner as her emotions were boiling.
It's not rational.....and nor should it be.
If you mental map Detmer's life - just from what's been shown on-screen - it's pretty fucked up, if you think about it.
Yes, the crew needs more different species types. However, I think that it is important for Adira to be human (or perhaps, to have been human). First, Star Trek has often used its minority actors in alien roles. #2 and #3 on DS9 were women, but of different species. On Voyager, the one character we could call Latina (not necessarily Mestiza) was also Klingon. If we have a character in Discovery that is meant to represent diversity, particularly in the context of American society, it is important the character is human. Second, Adira TAL isn't entirely human. At the very least, the inclusion of the Trill symbiont suggests that Adira Tal will have different physiological and psychological issues and characteristics. In some ways, Adira Tal brings more alienness into the Discovery crew, even if Adira appears to be human outwardly.
I would say presenting the most authentic non-binary representation supersedes any demand for equal distribution of rubber foreheads.
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A great episode for Hue. Cruz is a top-notch actor in my book. They need to give him more. He said he was a "Medical Officer" in his monolog. I guess we still don't know who's in charge down there, him or Pollard. I still think it's Pollard in the back of my head but I can't place why I think that. Not sure I understood why he chose Michael to go to the surface with Adira. (other than it's Michael ... frakin ... Burnham!!)
We learn that Adira is the first human host of a Trill.
Saru orders Stamets and Tilly to figure out an interface that doesn't involve having to plug Stamets into the spore drive because they are screwed if he dies. Tilly has had some thoughts about a Dark Matter interface and Stamets slaps her down. You'd think someone might start sifting around in that sphere data in situations like this. I'm afraid we are going to say this a bunch this season.
Off to Trill to help Adira and hopefully gain info on the Federation's whereabouts.
I enjoy the budding relationship between Adira and Michael.
Why didn't they beam down to the planet?
The Trill homeworld was beautiful. I'm so glad someone didn't say "Trill Prime".
We learn that Trill was somehow decimated by "The Burn"... not quite sure how ... was half the planets population off-world in Star Ships with active warp cores? Didn't we learn that half of all Trill can be a host in DS9? (not 1 in 1000) So, they have too many symbionts now? I'm not sure they really thought this one through unless I missed something.
Burnham and Adira meet up with the Trill welcoming party. We learn that In 2000 years there hasn't been a single recorded instance of a successful joining of a Trill symbiont and a non-Trill species. One Trill guy wants to rip it from her gut and Queen Trill says Adira is an abomination and they must leave immediately. Welcome to Trill!! They proceed to escort Michael and Adira back to the shuttle and Mr "I'm going to cut it out" shows up with medieval intentions and Michael makes quick work of them... to the point of acting "un-federation like" by dropping the last one for not showing them where the caves are. Then Mr good trill guy takes them to the pools. I thought they did a great job with the pool stuff. I don't remember Jadzia's eyes going all white though. My biggest issue with this was Michael thinking she had to remind Adira they needed the federation knowledge... eeesh, she's there for moral and emotional support. The knowledge will come only if Adira and the symbiont will exchange memories.
We then learn how Adira became a host. A touching story of two young love birds that were thrust into a horrible situation by events out of their control. I like Blu el Barrio and am glad she's part of the show, but I thought Ian Alexander acted circles around her. Ian has quite the screen presence. Adira ends up, through a sort of link via the pool and the symbiont, being accepted by all the previous hosts. Another touching moment when she can name all her hosts outside the pool.
Back on Discovery Adira gives Michael some coordinates to "the federation". The scene ends with Grey helping Adira play the cello. I hope they don't overdo it with the "Baltar/Six" thing here.
The "B" story covers how Saru and the Discovery crew are dealing with their new place in time and the trauma they all have suffered. I thought Hue's conversations with Saru were fantastic, relaying that the crew is physically healthy but not mentally healthy. We see Saru (again) asking the computer for help as he tries to figure out how to help his stressed-out crew cope and adjust. We get our second computer glitch and another voice joins with Discovery's computer in conversation with Saru. I laughed out loud at "interstellar shopping" as an option given to help the crew. "They" suggest taking the night off for the crew, maybe take in a movie... and for Saru to host a meal for his bridge crew. It turned out to be quite the dinner... haha... I had visions of the EMH sitting down to dinner with his family after B'Elanna tinkered with the program. I thought it was well played by everyone except Georgiou... man, sometimes they just give her crap. Just drop the forced humor stuff. Pretty funny that Saru asked Georgiou to dinner. The last time we saw something like this Empress Georgiou was having Saru for dinner... lol. Stamets and Detmer get into it, Tilly swears, folks leave, and Saru is left sitting by himself. It's obvious that tensions are high and folks are snapping. I'm again impressed with Oyin Oladejo as Owosekun. Please give her more. Tilly returns with great intentions to thank Saru and then screws the pooch by telling her Captain "that's leadership" referring to inviting everyone to dinner. Yikes, not your place Tilly. Then Stamets returns and apologizes to Tilly for shutting her down earlier. Finally, Detmer approaches Culber and states she needs help. Then they ruin it with "macho" and "it wasn't easy" remarks from Detmer. Again Discovery, show me - don't tell me. It was more than enough for her to admit she needed help. We all know she's tough. We end the episode with "movie night" in the hanger bay harking back to 'Enterprise'. Lots of laughter, Detmer hugs Stamets and everyone is starting to heal I guess.
I don't know what the big rush is. Saru should give them a week off. Probably should have stayed on Earth for a spell.
Felt like trek to me. 8 of 10
A great episode for Hue. Cruz is a top-notch actor in my book. They need to give him more. He said he was a "Medical Officer" in his monolog. I guess we still don't know who's in charge down there, him or Pollard. I still think it's Pollard in the back of my head but I can't place why I think that. Not sure I understood why he chose Michael to go to the surface with Adira. (other than it's Michael ... frakin ... Burnham!!)
We learn that Adira is the first human host of a Trill.
Saru orders Stamets and Tilly to figure out an interface that doesn't involve having to plug Stamets into the spore drive because they are screwed if he dies. Tilly has had some thoughts about a Dark Matter interface and Stamets slaps her down. You'd think someone might start sifting around in that sphere data in situations like this. I'm afraid we are going to say this a bunch this season.
Off to Trill to help Adira and hopefully gain info on the Federation's whereabouts.
I enjoy the budding relationship between Adira and Michael.
Why didn't they beam down to the planet?
The Trill homeworld was beautiful. I'm so glad someone didn't say "Trill Prime".
We learn that Trill was somehow decimated by "The Burn"... not quite sure how ... was half the planets population off-world in Star Ships with active warp cores? Didn't we learn that half of all Trill can be a host in DS9? (not 1 in 1000) So, they have too many symbionts now? I'm not sure they really thought this one through unless I missed something.
Burnham and Adira meet up with the Trill welcoming party. We learn that In 2000 years there hasn't been a single recorded instance of a successful joining of a Trill symbiont and a non-Trill species. One Trill guy wants to rip it from her gut and Queen Trill says Adira is an abomination and they must leave immediately. Welcome to Trill!! They proceed to escort Michael and Adira back to the shuttle and Mr "I'm going to cut it out" shows up with medieval intentions and Michael makes quick work of them... to the point of acting "un-federation like" by dropping the last one for not showing them where the caves are. Then Mr good trill guy takes them to the pools. I thought they did a great job with the pool stuff. I don't remember Jadzia's eyes going all white though. My biggest issue with this was Michael thinking she had to remind Adira they needed the federation knowledge... eeesh, she's there for moral and emotional support. The knowledge will come only if Adira and the symbiont will exchange memories.
We then learn how Adira became a host. A touching story of two young love birds that were thrust into a horrible situation by events out of their control. I like Blu el Barrio and am glad she's part of the show, but I thought Ian Alexander acted circles around her. Ian has quite the screen presence. Adira ends up, through a sort of link via the pool and the symbiont, being accepted by all the previous hosts. Another touching moment when she can name all her hosts outside the pool.
Back on Discovery Adira gives Michael some coordinates to "the federation". The scene ends with Grey helping Adira play the cello. I hope they don't overdo it with the "Baltar/Six" thing here.
The "B" story covers how Saru and the Discovery crew are dealing with their new place in time and the trauma they all have suffered. I thought Hue's conversations with Saru were fantastic, relaying that the crew is physically healthy but not mentally healthy. We see Saru (again) asking the computer for help as he tries to figure out how to help his stressed-out crew cope and adjust. We get our second computer glitch and another voice joins with Discovery's computer in conversation with Saru. I laughed out loud at "interstellar shopping" as an option given to help the crew. "They" suggest taking the night off for the crew, maybe take in a movie... and for Saru to host a meal for his bridge crew. It turned out to be quite the dinner... haha... I had visions of the EMH sitting down to dinner with his family after B'Elanna tinkered with the program. I thought it was well played by everyone except Georgiou... man, sometimes they just give her crap. Just drop the forced humor stuff. Pretty funny that Saru asked Georgiou to dinner. The last time we saw something like this Empress Georgiou was having Saru for dinner... lol. Stamets and Detmer get into it, Tilly swears, folks leave, and Saru is left sitting by himself. It's obvious that tensions are high and folks are snapping. I'm again impressed with Oyin Oladejo as Owosekun. Please give her more. Tilly returns with great intentions to thank Saru and then screws the pooch by telling her Captain "that's leadership" referring to inviting everyone to dinner. Yikes, not your place Tilly. Then Stamets returns and apologizes to Tilly for shutting her down earlier. Finally, Detmer approaches Culber and states she needs help. Then they ruin it with "macho" and "it wasn't easy" remarks from Detmer. Again Discovery, show me - don't tell me. It was more than enough for her to admit she needed help. We all know she's tough. We end the episode with "movie night" in the hanger bay harking back to 'Enterprise'. Lots of laughter, Detmer hugs Stamets and everyone is starting to heal I guess.
I don't know what the big rush is. Saru should give them a week off. Probably should have stayed on Earth for a spell.
Felt like trek to me. 8 of 10
Overall, a good episode. I liked how they are still going episodic but still building the overall Federation/Burn story, and that they are not doing it as slowly as the search for Spock in season 2. Really liked all the character stuff in both the A and B stories. But, for some reason this episode just didn't touch me as much as some others.
I rated it a 7.
I agree, Yeoh is a treasure; for me though, Mirror Georgiou is still a mood killer in most of her scenes.
I rated it a 7.
I agree, Yeoh is a treasure; for me though, Mirror Georgiou is still a mood killer in most of her scenes.
Wanting answers.
Yes. The way to help normalize LGBTQ in people's minds is for a show to treat it as normal.
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Gave this one 6. I enjoyed the visit to Trill and seeing that side of things. But, a slow episode. Connecting with your inner symbiont. I'm rewatching DS9 right now, so this fit right in. But, it wasn't particularly riveting.
The crew side of things was OK. I wish that was already done and we're more on the discovery side of things rather than working their feelings out. But, oh well. Hopefully now we can move forward.
I don't like how Georgiou is becoming a comedy device. She's not a real character but a plot device. A real waste of Yeoh's talents.
Well, hopefully onward and upward from this point. Season needs a bit more drive to it.
The crew side of things was OK. I wish that was already done and we're more on the discovery side of things rather than working their feelings out. But, oh well. Hopefully now we can move forward.
I don't like how Georgiou is becoming a comedy device. She's not a real character but a plot device. A real waste of Yeoh's talents.
Well, hopefully onward and upward from this point. Season needs a bit more drive to it.
I found that interesting too. I actually agree. It's an ungainly design. Easily my least favorite looking hero ship in ST.
It doesn't affect my enjoyment of the show though.
Sure, everyone wants answers... but you're going to need an alert crew to find them so fix them first.
That's logical and practical and not addressing the emotional need that is presented within the story.
I'm sorry if this already came up. If so, I missed it.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tal_(symbiont)
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Tal_(symbiont)
Can we link the order of Tal's hosts' names with the Trill we saw in Adira's communion?
The order of hosts is Kasha - Jovar - Madela - Cara - Senna - Gray - Adira.
We got the last three covered, in the 32nd century.
4th host: Junior Officer Tal (grey uniform, yellow stripe - operations division?) wears the "Bajoran"-style combadge of Senna. Presumably, she's from a time period close to him, so 31st to 32nd century.
1st host: Captain Tal must be one of, if not the, oldest hosts, because his uniform dates back as a far as 2399. Presumably, this is Kasha Tal.
That leaves Jovar and Madela as the civilian hosts. Given Trek's penchant for aliens with gendered, Latin-sounding names, I'd reckon the civilian host is Jovar (2nd host), and the civilian hostess is Madela (3rd host).
Whatcha reckon?
Edit: Also, is Senna Tal meant to be a six-star admiral?
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tal_(symbiont)
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Tal_(symbiont)
Can we link the order of Tal's hosts' names with the Trill we saw in Adira's communion?
The order of hosts is Kasha - Jovar - Madela - Cara - Senna - Gray - Adira.
We got the last three covered, in the 32nd century.
4th host: Junior Officer Tal (grey uniform, yellow stripe - operations division?) wears the "Bajoran"-style combadge of Senna. Presumably, she's from a time period close to him, so 31st to 32nd century.
1st host: Captain Tal must be one of, if not the, oldest hosts, because his uniform dates back as a far as 2399. Presumably, this is Kasha Tal.
That leaves Jovar and Madela as the civilian hosts. Given Trek's penchant for aliens with gendered, Latin-sounding names, I'd reckon the civilian host is Jovar (2nd host), and the civilian hostess is Madela (3rd host).
Whatcha reckon?
Edit: Also, is Senna Tal meant to be a six-star admiral?
We don't really know about Trill symbiont life cycle. It could be that the Tal symbiont took multiple decades off between hosts to stay and reproduce in the pools.
It was cool to see a late 24th century/PIC uniform in this episode. Burnham got a glimpse of the 24th century future of Starfleet even if she had no clue from when that uniform came.
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