Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x04 - "Forget Me Not"
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Definitely Gold. I'm guessing when she made the switch to First Officer, they wanted to put her back in command colors again.
I must've been really, really, really tired when I watched "Forget Me Not". (Not must've been, I was. My insomnia's at an all-time high) Because I didn't notice the blue in Tal's hair while watching the episode itself. I didn't catch it until looking at TrekCore's screen caps.
Agreed. Saru, in particular, has a reaction that shows not just dismay, but concern.
I think it's important to keep in mind that, outside of Culber, nobody has really stopped to notice that something is quite wrong with Keyla Detmer. She's been denying it, and refusing to acknowledge it. Even Oyo, who clearly realizes Detmer is acting oddly (see the look on her face in opening montage under Culber's log, when she looks at Detmer) but doesn't have a clear context for WHY. But everyone else has been too busy with their own stuff to even notice that she's going through something.
And their reactions around the table reflect that. Each of them is caught up in their own little world, each trying to deal with the hardship and trauma of their recent experiences in their own, dysfunctional way. Stamets is an egocentrist, so of course he takes offense. Oyo is worried for her friend, so she takes sides. Saru looks horrified, either because his plan to bring the crew together to reconnect is failing spectacularly, or because he's realizing just how deep the wounds really go in the people gathered around him (or both, because the look Doug Jones manages to give, right through the Kelpian makeup, in that shot is almost hearbreaking in and of itself).
The more I think about it, the more I enjoy both the dinner sequence and the ultimate resolution. The fact that Saru basically fails upwards, with his initial plan completely blowing up on him, but in a way that is ultimately really healthy and positive for everyone. The reluctance with which Detmer goes to Culber to open up, finally forced to confront her feelings. Even Stamets, who yet again has to learn to be a team player and appreciate Tilly and other's contributions. These people are utterly alone, together. And finding strength in that, and each other, is kind of the most Star Trek thing on this series in a while, IMO.
On the other hand, aren't Trill set up to be tragedies waiting to happen?
Yes
What are swing posters?
I'm glad they're keeping him on, but kill him off they did...
That is a poblem for me, too, even though the story was beautifully done. I couldn't help the cynical thought, "Oh, so *that's* why they added two lgbt* characters at once... One was for the fridge." It doesn't help that I think the actor was outstanding and the character has/ would have had the potential to be a favourite of mine.
But I'm keeping an open mind. Plus, if they could bring Culber back via magic mushroom net, maybe there will be a way... I mean, all that promo for just a "ghost"?
ETA: Did anyone else have a flashback when watching the dinner scene? To the Emperor enjoying some Kelpian bits? Just me? OK.
A play on words. I've been watching too much Election Coverage the last few days. You know how there are "swing voters"? I adopted the term and modified it.
You have posters who are hardcore pro-Discovery (like me), posters who are hardcore anti-Discovery, and then posters who are "in the middle". The show can gain them or lose them, depending on what it does. This episode has a lot of those swayable "in the middle" posters batting for it and liking it quite a bit. If it moves the middle, then you know you have a winner on your hands.
Great episode, really enjoyed it. I love it when character is pushed out front over plot. This episode was a prime example. Hope it continues.
Burnham seems more sure of herself this season. She didn’t hesitate to put those Trill dudes down even though she was just stunning them. Laughed loud at the way she handled the last guy. No begging and trying to get him to see things her way.— just lights out.
Adira’s memories of Gray were so warm and heartfelt. The transfer of Tal to her seemed perfectly logical in light of what happened. The touching scene with the other hosts was so poignant. Beautifully done.
Saru is such a great character. Hard to believe I started out not liking him. He may end up being my fav Trek captain. So the sphere data has infected the computer. That’s sure to be a source of some issues in the future.
The dinner scene was great. The crew reaction was refreshingly real.
Was movie night a thing on any of the Trek shows other than Ent?
Can’t remember.
In that first scene in sick bay, there were two Black women, a Black Puerto Rican man, a white man, and a non binary white person. I love Discovery.
Burnham seems more sure of herself this season. She didn’t hesitate to put those Trill dudes down even though she was just stunning them. Laughed loud at the way she handled the last guy. No begging and trying to get him to see things her way.— just lights out.
Adira’s memories of Gray were so warm and heartfelt. The transfer of Tal to her seemed perfectly logical in light of what happened. The touching scene with the other hosts was so poignant. Beautifully done.
Saru is such a great character. Hard to believe I started out not liking him. He may end up being my fav Trek captain. So the sphere data has infected the computer. That’s sure to be a source of some issues in the future.
The dinner scene was great. The crew reaction was refreshingly real.
Was movie night a thing on any of the Trek shows other than Ent?
Can’t remember.
In that first scene in sick bay, there were two Black women, a Black Puerto Rican man, a white man, and a non binary white person. I love Discovery.
Simply Beautiful.
(Another viewing inevitable)
(Another viewing inevitable)
I'm glad I'm not the only one bugged by the ridiculous over-use of the Starfleet insignia. I'm sure every salt shaker and toothpick has a logo on it in DSC.
now i am wondering if somehow that gap year where Burnham was with Book, and discovery was crossing the wormhole, did something else happen?
Did Zora somehow take discovery on her own and wait? How would that work without the crew? She said she'd been waiting for 1000 years. Either Discovery went to the 4000's next and the V'draysh are STILL Around, or else Discovery/Zora somehow left the crew, waited things out.. something.
If Aldis Hodge is on this season he's not saying anything.
Did Zora somehow take discovery on her own and wait? How would that work without the crew? She said she'd been waiting for 1000 years. Either Discovery went to the 4000's next and the V'draysh are STILL Around, or else Discovery/Zora somehow left the crew, waited things out.. something.
If Aldis Hodge is on this season he's not saying anything.
WIlson Cruz is so good on this show. He just radiates compassion and warmth in a way we've never really seen from other doctors on the shows.
Maybe the Discovery in Calypso is some sort of temporal duplicate where the crew were killed traversing the wormhole. Perhaps Zora couldn't accept their deaths and created this elaborate story that the crew had abandoned her but would come back in order to cope.
I feel short changed.
I was promised a trans and a non binary, and one of them is already dead.
I was promised a trans and a non binary, and one of them is already dead.
This may be an odd thing to like about the episode, but we have been getting the "starship lit through the windows" since Generations. However, in this episode, the exterior lighting was bright and didn't give the sets/ship a dark/shadowy feel that we frequently get (including in Generations).
Regarding the critique regarding Gray's death; this didn't bother me. The reason it didn't bother me is that the entire Trill sub-plot was about "where did this thing in my belly come from and why can't I remember it?" For this reason, as soon as I saw that Gray was a joined Trill, I figured that Adira was going to be taking Gray's symbiote and would have to work through the process of losing a loved one. Personally, I loved that this wasn't treated or defined by the show as an "LGBTQ relationship" but rather just a loving relationship without the need to place titles on it (even if we need to do so in the contemporary world).
Which leads me to a final thought that the writing was great for this episode. It dealt with the consequences of the characters' choices and adventures in a way that Star Trek rarely does and the theme of healing was really well done.
Regarding the critique regarding Gray's death; this didn't bother me. The reason it didn't bother me is that the entire Trill sub-plot was about "where did this thing in my belly come from and why can't I remember it?" For this reason, as soon as I saw that Gray was a joined Trill, I figured that Adira was going to be taking Gray's symbiote and would have to work through the process of losing a loved one. Personally, I loved that this wasn't treated or defined by the show as an "LGBTQ relationship" but rather just a loving relationship without the need to place titles on it (even if we need to do so in the contemporary world).
Which leads me to a final thought that the writing was great for this episode. It dealt with the consequences of the characters' choices and adventures in a way that Star Trek rarely does and the theme of healing was really well done.
The Trill theme of the past two episodes, but especially this one, certainly made it so DS9 like.
Even though I was a bit disappointed not seeing Dax in this episode, Tal is also a symbiont with am extensive history and knowledge of the Federation, with three past hosts - including Admiral Tal - were Starfleet officers, so s/he can inform Burnham & Co about Federation's history for the past 200 years, including ''The Burn.''
Adira is also growing on me as well. Seeing her is like we're seeing Dax again, without officially having her designated as one.
We really should have seen this coming given what happened with Stamets and Culber.
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