Yeah it's not up to other episodes but it sits okay with me as an end to the series! 
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Exactly like in the first SNL sketch!
I think the original intent in TI was that women worked alongside the men in most capacities, as equal competent professionals, but that at the same time, there was a sense that men are men and women are women, and that differences in nature and strength could still segregate some jobs. Gender equality was an unformed area, and anyone could try out her/his own take on it. We never saw female security did we? That and captain were probably thought to require a "toughness" women supposedly didn't have.
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It's a limited point of view, but with a small germ of truth. Certain jobs will always attract more men or more women, and one gender will overall have a bit of an advantage in some areas. Women have proven themselves in every area now, very publicly, but not as much in the mid 1960s.
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Fortunately, things are vague enough in T. Intruder that we can fix them. There must have been female captains by then. Lester mistook her inability to move up as a sexist barrier, fooling herself, because she didn't want to admit to personal failings? Did she even say she had tried for a captaincy? The quote, I'll have to check, but it says something like "Your world of starship captains doesn't admit women"? Maybe she's saying you can't have a steady relationship with a captain.
How about when Lwaxana Troi finds love again...and he kills himself! Bummer.
I think you'll find your a century out or so there, Earl Grey! This is the TOS page and not the TNG! 
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Thank you johnybear, I guess I just travelled a bit too far back in space and time!I think you'll find your a century out or so there, Earl Grey! This is the TOS page and not the TNG!
JB
I liked "Turnabout Intruder", not the best episode but not a bad one either. I found Shatner playing Lester quite entertaining and liked Sandra Smith, especially when she played Kirk. Ha, that sound kind of weird, maybe even kinky; "I liked the actress playing a man.'
I'll try not to jump in the debate, just saying how it was for me. When I first saw TI, I thought Lester was talking about how in Kirk's career track to become a starship captain, there was no room in his life for relationships with women, something that had already been established in the show before.
It never occured to me until years later, and surprised me, when I read that some people think Lester meant Starfleet doesn't allow women to command starships.
Robert
I'll try not to jump in the debate, just saying how it was for me. When I first saw TI, I thought Lester was talking about how in Kirk's career track to become a starship captain, there was no room in his life for relationships with women, something that had already been established in the show before.
It never occured to me until years later, and surprised me, when I read that some people think Lester meant Starfleet doesn't allow women to command starships.
Robert
Initially I just thought that Lester didn't just have what it takes to be a Starship Captain.
My big problem with the episode was the willingness of security to sentence 3 senior officers to death. I don't care what the captain says. They have brigs. They can return them to a Starbase for a proper military trial. Surely Captain Kirk couldn't preside over this sort of trial. And did McCoy and Scott even have a trial. So how legal would any sentence be let alone a death sentence.
OK and there's no way that Lester could do the day-to-day running of a starship no matter how much she trained up. She wouldn't just have the knowledge. That should have been pointed out along the way. Some simple errors like in "The Deadly Years"
That is the biggest and most egregious flaw in the entire episode is the fact that in the last episode of the original series we find out that Enterprise security are apparently a bunch of mindless fascists who would carry out a completely illegal order, a murder, based on a kangaroo trial by a clearly deranged captain. It makes no sense at all in context of what we've learned about the Enterprise crew for the first 3 Seasons. That's one of my most hated lines in all of the original series when Chekov says "if security backs him what can we do?" -- as if security is made up of entirely different types of people than the rest of the crew! But as usual in order to have a dramatic ending they had to throw logic and consistency completely out the window
One of the greatest scenes in the history of Trek
Well, by that point the crew saw all kinds of unlikely things.
In an episode of Buck Rogers, Erin’s character Wilma just up and shoots what looks like Buck (in reality just a walking bomb)
Good thing it was set to disintegrate before settling it off like a random blast would— that’s a discussion topic right there
Which you loved until . . . when?
In the Mark of Gideon it would have been better if we followed Kirk only, at least for the first half, believing - with Kirk - that his crew were in fact missing. The Spock/Odin bickering is pretty mundane anyway. The mystery is ruined before it even starts.
Whilst we didn't need him on the planet, I always felt it odd that such a late third season episode did not have the trio beam down together, in The Cloud Minders. Particularly as zenite was a concern. Similarly, McCoy not Spock, was the obvious choice in Whom Gods Destroy. (Another episode that springs to mind is Patterns of Force, but McCoy doesn't feel 'missing' here, especially as he eventually does beam down.)
Whilst we didn't need him on the planet, I always felt it odd that such a late third season episode did not have the trio beam down together, in The Cloud Minders. Particularly as zenite was a concern. Similarly, McCoy not Spock, was the obvious choice in Whom Gods Destroy. (Another episode that springs to mind is Patterns of Force, but McCoy doesn't feel 'missing' here, especially as he eventually does beam down.)
Oh I still love it. I guess I misread the post.
Yes you'd think that McCoy was the obvious choice. I suppose we'd have been missing Spock if he wasn't there though. We'd have to see him try to get down to the planet. Maybe it would have been a better episode if we had more of the Enterprise in it.
Saying that it would have been even more of a repeat of Season 1.
"All Our Yesterday's".
I enjoyed the episode from start to finish, except when Spock came to the realization that his behavior (getting the hots for Zarabeth, enjoying eating animal flesh) was abnormal for him. McCoy theorized that Spock was reverting to the behavior of his barbarian ancestors. Spock agreed that his behavior was disgraceful
Btw, Mariette Hartley was in good form.
But Spock and McCoy were never "prepared" by Mr. Atoz. They were not "prepared" by the atavochron. So their cell structures and brain patterns were never changed to sync with the time and place they found themselves in. So why did Spock's behavior change when he was never "prepared"? It didn't seem to make sense.
Also, I thought that it was McCoy, not Spock, who acted like a barbarian. McCoy normally has a temper, but McCoy was especially vicious in this episode -- the name calling, his threatening posture, and then his physical aggression towards Zarabeth. He grabbed her by the head when she didn't give him the answer he was looking for.
While I can understand McCoy desperately wanting to get back to his own time and universe, McCoy's behavior was barbaric. Yet it was McCoy who was pointing the finger at Spock, implying that it was Spock who was acting like a barbarian, when it was McCoy whose behavior was disgraceful, imo.
Other than that, I enjoyed the episode.
I enjoyed the episode from start to finish, except when Spock came to the realization that his behavior (getting the hots for Zarabeth, enjoying eating animal flesh) was abnormal for him. McCoy theorized that Spock was reverting to the behavior of his barbarian ancestors. Spock agreed that his behavior was disgraceful
Btw, Mariette Hartley was in good form.
But Spock and McCoy were never "prepared" by Mr. Atoz. They were not "prepared" by the atavochron. So their cell structures and brain patterns were never changed to sync with the time and place they found themselves in. So why did Spock's behavior change when he was never "prepared"? It didn't seem to make sense.
Also, I thought that it was McCoy, not Spock, who acted like a barbarian. McCoy normally has a temper, but McCoy was especially vicious in this episode -- the name calling, his threatening posture, and then his physical aggression towards Zarabeth. He grabbed her by the head when she didn't give him the answer he was looking for.
While I can understand McCoy desperately wanting to get back to his own time and universe, McCoy's behavior was barbaric. Yet it was McCoy who was pointing the finger at Spock, implying that it was Spock who was acting like a barbarian, when it was McCoy whose behavior was disgraceful, imo.
Other than that, I enjoyed the episode.
I wouldn't say I love the it at any point, but Author Author is a fun little episode until the ending undercuts Measure of a Man and then apparently turns the Federation into slavers...
Which may be a worthwhile discussion point, but this is the TOS-TAS forum!
Rember that Spock sensed the deaths of 400 Vulcans from light years away. It is true that Spock says that his home world is millions of light years away from Sarpeidon, but that would be far beyond the Milky Way Galaxy and so seems unlikely to be correct.
So possibly Spock was in subconscious communication with the minds of billions of pre reformation Vulcans and was influenced by that to be more violent and emotional than he normally would.
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