I don’t think the writers are that profoundly ignorant of trans people or deliberately transphobic. Especially given the actors themselves have some input on them.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x03 - "People of Earth"
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While realistic it isn't that enjoyable to feel lost in connecting with the characters.
Regarding Adira and the use of "she/her" pronouns in this episode, Entertainment Tonight just published an interesting interview with Blu del Barrio and this issue gets directly addressed:
So it sounds like, as others have speculated, the way the character identifies and how people address them will evolve as the season progresses.
So it sounds like, as others have speculated, the way the character identifies and how people address them will evolve as the season progresses.
And that's interesting.
So it sounds as if the audience might see the genesis and logic behind the use of the non-binary pronoun rather than just being told what the pronoun is. If done correctly, that's a good way of adding something useful to our contemporary society's ongoing conversation about gender identity.
People watch foreign films don't they? And anime is very popular in the U.S., despite Japanese cultural norms being very different from the U.S.
It would make sense too for Adira's identity to evolve as Tal's memories become more fully integrated.
It could be, for some reason, technically difficult to send messages. It could be that the culture of either Earth or Titan or both became so super-isolationist that they didn't have much to talk about, it could be that events polarized people so that those with an affinity for either Earth or Titan relocated all their people to one or the other.
Who says they have better ships than Earth's? All we see and are told is that they have ships that are troublesome. We did not see or have any dialogue about how the ships the Titans people have are a match for Earth's ships. What was presented to me was that the Titans could conduct raids on (presumably) unsuspecting ships but that there was no indication that they could go toe-to-toe with Earth ships.
The story as I understood it is that Discovery went off in the 2200s for parts unknown, was a generational ship, got hit by the Burn, and started to make its way back, and only just now made it to Earth. So the more appropriate analogy would be if a Viking ship came with people dressed like Vikings claiming to be descendants of vikings.
I would think the average person would be skeptical of that claim in a way that is different from Discovery's. There's less real estate for the Viking ship to have gone to in isolation than there is space for Discovery to have gone to without anyone knowing where it was.
The mere fact of them still wearing Viking fashion wouldn't trigger suspicions though. It seems plausible that they might keep the old style of dress, just as it's plausible that the TOS crew came across a culture that dressed as though they were still in the Roman Empire in the 2280s.
Just watched it out of curiosity. Didn't notice any dialogue to the effect of "We only have 6 dilithium crystals." There is a reference to all the dilithium crystals getting depowered and needing to be amplified. One Lazarus takes two crystals. The other takes another two. Could have missed the reference. Feel free to point out more precisely where it is.
In any event, assuming for discussion's sake that the Enterprise does indeed only have six crystals at the time of The Alternative Factor, that doesn't foreclose the possibility that the Enterprise was particularly low on crystals at that point, or that Kirk maybe belatedly realized that it would be a good idea to have backups to the six crystals that he needed to fully power the ship, or that Georgiou/Lorca/Pike were exceptionally paranoid about having extra dilithium on hand, that the nature of Discovery requires more dilithium than the Enterprise or any number of things.
And? A year is a long time.
There still was no guarantee that Michael a) made it through the wormhole alive b) didn't immediately get killed or captured after emerging through the wormhole.
People were worried about Michael's whereabouts and well-being because they would have expected her to emerge roughly in the same time/space as Discovery. For the half-day or whatever that it took before Michael showed up, it was perfectly reasonable to think that she was dead based on what people on Discovery knew.
It may not have a point, and it may not be a "big reveal" to the EDF people.
Any lack of communications between the two probably is mostly cultural, because at a minimum, ships exist that could go between the two locations. But there still is a possibility that it is technological. That other technological solutions exist doesn't mean that they would think of those solutions.
exactly. Even at full impulse time dilatation is negligible, as long as the travel is within a solar system.
As a diversion, perhaps. But, I wouldn't want to be struggling to follow along constantly. I mean, I watched an historic Turkish series and wasn't struggling with cultural understanding. So, I think there should be some familiarity in terms of character motivation and goals.
Erm, it was like that in TNG and DS9 and Voyager.
I thought this was common knowledge at this point since it was announced months ago. The character is only being referred to as she because they haven't told anyone they used they/them pronouns. So they're just making assumptions about their gender based on a lack of information.
Given that we've never seen any Trill symbiont override the gender identity of other joined Trills, I doubt this is the reason they're non-binary. Especially since we know they're human. I'm guessing that Tal ends up joined with Gray who has been mentioned as an unjoined Trill in promotional material. Then Gray and Adira become friends because Tal already knows them from their time being partially joined. Some of the trailers implied that they were friendly, so I imagine that's what initially causes them to become friends.
you do realise that non binary people exist not only in the English speaking world and that other languages also adapted to include genderneutral pronouns?
I don't think that's a particularly big problem for Netflix to just use the given appropriate pronouns other languages have to offer or invented over the last couple of decades.
Clearly, as I was discussing exactly those people.
For what it's worth they has been used as a singular pronoun in English since the 14th century.
sone countries are behind in this kind of topics, though. I don’t think there is any kind of consensus there in my country, for example...in Italian we have gender-neutral pronouns but they’re very tied to objects, not people, at the moment.
I think we should let the characters guide us on their journey and see where we end up in a few episodes. Then we can look back and have a better evaluation. Maybe there is a reason that specific pronouns haven't been given and maybe that reason will be disclosed on us in the future, we will see. After that, I'm willing to throw out a little judgement towards the writers.
that would be the formal they, though, that didn’t eventually catch on, being superseded by you, which became so successful that it supplanted thou.