Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x03 - "People of Earth"

[Noname Given]

Everything happened so fast, a lot to unpack.

First, Michael's mother. I guess we're in a different timeline.

Well -

1) Michaels mother had made many attempts to change the timeline and failed because every time she got pulled back, she was again, the only life form left in the Universe -- so she jumped back again...rinse repeat until she got 'caught/trapped' by the Discovery crew.

2) When she got 'pulled back' the last time (after being caught/trapped) - she got pulled through that Wormhole WITHOUT wearing the Red Angel suit = She was probably killed.

Hell, Michael nearly died, and she was wearing the suit.

 

[UssGlenn]

It would be incredibly offensive to imply that the first trans character on Star Trek is trans because of an alien inside them.

It's unclear, but I assume you are referring to Grey here, since only Grey is Trans, and Adria is nonbinary. We will see how they handle Grey.

But they are totally going to have Adria's non-binaryness brought on by fully accessing the symbiotes memories. This is Star Trek, alien allegory is what they do. So just prepare yourself. We might get a line about how Adria was working though this anyway and the memory integration brought it to a head. But in any case if you asked Adria in universe about pronouns right now, I suspect the answer would be "she".

 

[fireproof78]

but yeah, wish they had not picked something as close as titan. Discovery writers don't always seem to think things through. But I like the show, warts and all.

I mean, it felt like a Star Trek style not thinking things through to me. But, at the same time, it didn't bother me overly much since it seemed Earth had bigger concerns than attempting a radio message. Maybe I misread.

 

[eschaton]

Communications or not, doesn't the solar system seem really big again with limited warp drive?

It shouldn't. With impulse engines (which go light speed) back and forth from Earth to Titan should take 1-2 hours.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

But they are totally going to have Adria's non-binaryness brought on by fully accessing the symbiotes memories. This is Star Trek, alien allegory is what they do. So just prepare yourself. We might get a line about how Adria was working though this anyway and the memory integration brought it to a head. But in any case if you asked Adria in universe about pronouns right now, I suspect the answer would be "she".

Whether or not Adira comes to some realization about identity down the road, there is nothing that would preclude the use of "she." Non-binary, at least in the contemporary context, suggests non-exclusive gender identity, not necessarily neutral. It might well be that she already has come to conclusions about her identity, and still prefers to be referenced as "she." Or maybe she will have an epiphany and choose a different reference.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

It shouldn't. With impulse engines (which go light speed) back and forth from Earth to Titan should take 1-2 hours.

If I am not mistaken, doesn't impulse still draw upon the same power source? I remember that in Undiscovered Country Uhura talks about gas emissions, but we never see anywhere that starships carry fuel of any type, do we?

 

[XCV330]

If I am not mistaken, doesn't impulse still draw upon the same power source? I remember that in Undiscovered Country Uhura talks about gas emissions, but we never see anywhere that starships carry fuel of any type, do we?

there are plenty of ways to get around a solar system without warp power. The Siskos went interstellar with a solar sail (unrealistic in the real world, but in star trek, a thing now). Ion drives are another real world thing that has a Star Trek existance as well.

Or they could have simply had ships on "cycler" orbits between worlds to continue trade, albeit slowly. Buzz Aldrin of all people helped work out the orbital paths for a Mars Cycler that would go between earth and mars every few years for cargo transfer. It's not rocket science. Ok, it's orbital mechanics instead, but again, they just kind of dropped the ball on this. They didn't want a mad-max world or primative humans making axes from stones. Earth looks pretty nice and still has all the flying cars. But if they have that level of tech, they'd have to have been extremely damned insular to give up the rest of their solar system.

 

[Happenstance]

Disappointed we didn’t get an immortal Boothby come up and yell at Discovery’s crew for leaning on the tree

 

[fireproof78]

But if they have that level of tech, they'd have to have been extremely damned insular to give up the rest of their solar system.

Once bitten, twice shy.

 

[eschaton]

Whether or not Adira comes to some realization about identity down the road, there is nothing that would preclude the use of "she." Non-binary, at least in the contemporary context, suggests non-exclusive gender identity, not necessarily neutral. It might well be that she already has come to conclusions about her identity, and still prefers to be referenced as "she." Or maybe she will have an epiphany and choose a different reference.

To be perfectly honest, while I have no issue with an enby character, I do feel like it's not realistic to presume the use of "they" as the pronoun of choice would exist for 1,200 years. I mean, there's barely been consensus on it for a decade here in reality. Seems like we'd develop new pronouns - especially because we'd have experience with all kinds of alien races with more than two genders.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Or they could have simply had ships on "cycler" orbits between worlds to continue trade, albeit slowly. Buzz Aldrin of all people helped work out the orbital paths for a Mars Cycler that would go between earth and mars every few years for cargo transfer. It's not rocket science. Ok, it's orbital mechanics instead, but again, they just kind of dropped the ball on this. They didn't want a mad-max world or primative humans making axes from stones. Earth looks pretty nice and still has all the flying cars. But if they have that level of tech, they'd have to have been extremely damned insular to give up the rest of their solar system.

I'm not suggesting that the distances are insurmountable, but they are excessive without access to a very compact energy source. Perhaps they could tech in some new drive (which would lead to groans). But even as you suggest, it takes time. Moreover, they would still come up against the problems of relativistic speeds the faster they go, and they would do so without the benefit of warp fields.

 

[Deks]

If I am not mistaken, doesn't impulse still draw upon the same power source? I remember that in Undiscovered Country Uhura talks about gas emissions, but we never see anywhere that starships carry fuel of any type, do we?

If I'm not mistaken, I think the impulse engines draw their power from fusion generators on board... but otherwise they CAN run off the Warp core too.

 

[XCV330]

I'm not suggesting that the distances are insurmountable, but they are excessive without access to a very compact energy source. Perhaps they could tech in some new drive (which would lead to groans). But even as you suggest, it takes time. Moreover, they would still come up against the problems of relativistic speeds the faster they go, and they would do so without the benefit of warp fields.

you don't really run into time dilation problems until very close to c.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Yet 32nd century earth cant contact titan.....

Hell I could send a fucking radio signal to Titan right now from my backyard. Of course no one there to hear it and it would take 80 minutes.

But 32nd century earth could of sent a " You cool bro?" by simple radio.

That was embarassingly bad. But then this is the universe where Earth forgot to listen in on radio waves by the 23rd century. They could have just sent a "Dear Vger, Creator is out to lunch. Will return next millenium. 73 de Carbon Unit. K"

but yeah, wish they had not picked something as close as titan. Discovery writers don't always seem to think things through. But I like the show, warts and all.

This isn't the first time this has happened in Trek. In fact, it's happened so often, Lower Decks actually succeeded in putting a MASSIVE shade on that lamp by summing it up in one remarkably sublime statement (I paraphrase): "The Federation does great at discovery, it just can't maintain". It applied, in that case, to the surprisingly aggressive reemergence of TNG's laughable Pakleds, but it can apply to so many other things - "Space Seed" is one of the greatest examples, and when Tarantino was thinking about doing is own movie, he was considering revisiting the gangsters from "A Piece of the Action", described by Spock as a "very bright and imitative people" with whom McCoy accidentally left his communicator, implying that they may become a strong force in the region after they discovered the secret of the "transtator".

 

[cultcross]

To be perfectly honest, while I have no issue with an enby character, I do feel like it's not realistic to presume the use of "they" as the pronoun of choice would exist for 1,200 years. I mean, there's barely been consensus on it for a decade here in reality. Seems like we'd develop new pronouns - especially because we'd have experience with all kinds of alien races with more than two genders.

Clearly the show uses current English in everything else; why not pronouns?

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

This helps solve one of the biggest mysteries of Star Trek - why there are no truly ancient civilizations in the Galaxy.

The Organians, Metrons, Trelane's race, etc like to mostly keep to themselves. The Arretans are ancient, but they don't have a way of getting around anymore.

 

[XCV330]

To be perfectly honest, while I have no issue with an enby character, I do feel like it's not realistic to presume the use of "they" as the pronoun of choice would exist for 1,200 years. I mean, there's barely been consensus on it for a decade here in reality. Seems like we'd develop new pronouns - especially because we'd have experience with all kinds of alien races with more than two genders.

in the case of a Human/Trill Symbiont pairing, They is about as correct as it can get.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

you don't really run into time dilation problems until very close to c.

Which is precisely what eschaton brought up:

It shouldn't. With impulse engines (which go light speed) back and forth from Earth to Titan should take 1-2 hours.

 

[Seven of Five]

Another 8 from me. I'm loving the direction so far this season. I'm loving the quieter character moments a lot, and it seems the year's story is point towards something more interesting with finding out what happened to the Federation and rebuilding. That's a much more relatable theme than the galaxy-wide stakes we've been getting so far.

Saru is such a great captain, and I'm glad he's finally assumed responsibilities officially. The more toned down Burnham is a pleasant surprise as well.

It was nice seeing the crew reunite, especially Tilly and Burnham. Has it been earned narratively speaking. Probably not. Yet it still felt good.

Seeing the crew on Earth was a nice moment.

I wonder where Starfleet moved to? My first thoughts were it's Vulcan, but I don't know. I wasn't really thinking that Earth would be running solo in all of this, so that was a surprise.

And we have a Trill symbiont onboard as well!

 

[Noname Given]

^^^
Wow, finally, a live action Final Fantasy XIV series...