Justice League official "Zack Snyder" cut on HBO Max
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I believe they've already said there will be no Whedon footage in this version. So no mustache footage to worry about at all.
For a movie so many people said "totally existed" and "just needed to be completed", it really feels like there was no Snyder cut until they decided to make one...
Also, taking one thing that was almost universally hated from Suicide Squad is actually hilarious to me. My morbid curiosity is probably going to get the better of me when this trainwreck comes out, it might be the biggest trainwreck in the history of live action superhero productions.
Where's Harley?
Is this movie in the past or the future?
Which is a question about viewing order.
Although we're dates mentioned in Harley Quinn and the Birds of Prey or Shazam?
Darkseid killed the Shazam Family by the time of the future visions from the Justice League Movie?
Which means they are weaker than we think, or there's a simple trick to turn off their powers known to most billion year old space gods.
Which is a question about viewing order.
Although we're dates mentioned in Harley Quinn and the Birds of Prey or Shazam?
Darkseid killed the Shazam Family by the time of the future visions from the Justice League Movie?
Which means they are weaker than we think, or there's a simple trick to turn off their powers known to most billion year old space gods.
This is obviously not the movie Snyder would have delivered for theatrical release. It's a four hour miniseries now. And Snyder probably has more freedom to add stuff that he couldn't have for the theatrical version.
The new cut is so different that Geoff Johns and Jon Berg have had their producer credits removed per their own request because it doesn't resemble what was released in theaters.
https://www.cbr.com/zack-snyder-justice-league-geoff-johns-jon-berg-producer-credits/
https://www.cbr.com/zack-snyder-justice-league-geoff-johns-jon-berg-producer-credits/
Good, because what was released in theatres was a shit-storm taken over by the worst fit for a DCEU movie.
...which lost any impact it should have only 4 minutes later with the time manipulation. That film would have been lifted to a higher level if Lois remained dead, and in the sequel (after Clark's mourning passed) he rekindled a relationship with Lana--essentially the only solid thing about Superman III should have been in II. Clark and Lana had real chemistry (unlike Clark and Lois more often than not), and of course, they have their shared Smallville roots as another bond..
Wow. That's new. Zack Snyder, is that you?
The idea of killing Lois in the 1978 movie is the complete and total opposite of what the movie represents.
The idea of killing Lois in the 1978 movie is the complete and total opposite of what the movie represents.
Actually, its a contradiction of the film's narrative; being sent to earth "for a reason" meant he was there to help, but he could not save everyone--including his adoptive father. Further, he was not there to rewrite mankind's history--the plain as day warning/order given to him by Jor-El. Its no shock that the "turning the world back" plot was and remains the most derided of anything in that film, and opened the door to legitimate questions, such as: why Superman does not do that for any disaster, war, assassination, etc (events that have an impact on the population, as opposed to a purely personal concern).
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You missed probably the most important line that happens right after his order to not to interfere with human history. The REAL warning.
"In this next year, we shall examine the human heart. It is more fragile than.."
Human emotion is a contradiction. And fits perfectly with the film's narrative.
"In this next year, we shall examine the human heart. It is more fragile than.."
Human emotion is a contradiction. And fits perfectly with the film's narrative.
I'm a little confused. When did Snyder's vision for DC comics become popular??? When he was running it, all I read were constant complaints and aggravation and frustration of what he'd done. DC has made some make overs after him bowing out from JL, I mean even Wonder Woman 84 feels more like a brighter take visually in style from it's first film and Snyder's dark music video style. I'm surprised there seemed to be a demand for Snyder's self-promotional stunt to get back into the DC movies.
The point of that climactic scene in Superman '78 is NOT that Jor-El was right, and that Clark fucks up by defying him. That's such an emotionally tone-deaf reading of the film that it beggars belief. The point is that this time, warnings be damned, Clark WILL NOT accept that he is helpless. He WILL NOT let what happened to Jonathan happen again. "All those powers, and I couldn't even save her" WILL NOT be the answer again. Not this time. Not this woman.
Superman is not a tale of accepting limitations and failure. It's a story of transcendence, of triumph, of being better than we are, better than we thought we could be. It's a story of moving Heaven and Earth for truth, for justice, for life and for love.
Is that "realistic"? Perhaps not. The fallacy is the assumption that realism is the purpose of narrative, or its highest mode of expression. Superman is not a documentary. He's a fable, a fantasy, a parable, an ideal. His world is better than ours, because he won't accept less, and he has the power and the will to make it so. He's the best aspirations of humanity, given fictional form and substance. Donner understood that, fundamentally and profoundly -- which is why his movie has resonated and defined the character of Superman, above all other portrayals in any medium, for more than 40 years.
Superman is not a tale of accepting limitations and failure. It's a story of transcendence, of triumph, of being better than we are, better than we thought we could be. It's a story of moving Heaven and Earth for truth, for justice, for life and for love.
Is that "realistic"? Perhaps not. The fallacy is the assumption that realism is the purpose of narrative, or its highest mode of expression. Superman is not a documentary. He's a fable, a fantasy, a parable, an ideal. His world is better than ours, because he won't accept less, and he has the power and the will to make it so. He's the best aspirations of humanity, given fictional form and substance. Donner understood that, fundamentally and profoundly -- which is why his movie has resonated and defined the character of Superman, above all other portrayals in any medium, for more than 40 years.
I think there might have been a small fan core that has been there from the beginning... but with such a dearth of material from the DC Film Universe, (with WW84 being delayed, and 2020 , way back when, was supposed to be the year for the Flash, Cyborg and Green Lantern movies. ), it's the only thing that is going on right now.
We shall see what the verdict is when it finally comes out. I for one, will NOT be excited about it. but we have HBO max already...so why not?
I'm rather indifferent to the movie as it is and to Snyder as well, I have no dog in the fight, but just as a unique cinematic experiment I find this immensely fascinating and really interested in seeing the results. I hope both versions are readily available and remain available, the only thing I don't like with alternate cuts is when only one version is allowed to survive in the long run.
Yeah, trying to make Superman realistic, kind of defeats the whole purpose character. He is meant to be the ultimate bigger than life, idealized hero.
I think there are ways to "humanize" him yet keep him Superman.
Man of Steel actually started it in a great way -- they had Martha teach young Clark to control his powers in a way that seemed to me like how one might teach a special needs child. They totally dropped the ball by making older Martha a "Get off my lawn" personality. They SHOULD have had Clark visit her as an adult, where she is finishing her session as a THERAPIST with a young person. Clark smiles as the child leaves, and tells his mom "You're my hero".
Makes his sympathy and care for people, especially the weak, extremely genuine
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