Justice League official "Zack Snyder" cut on HBO Max

[The Realist]

I subscribe to the modern take that there is no difference between Clark and Superman.

As for "humanizing" him, he's already utterly human. Modest upbringing, simple honest values, goes to work every day in an office, lost his heart to the love of his life. Superpowers aside, he's far more relatable than Batman, since most of us have lived our own versions of Clark's life, but few of us are billionaires, or suffered a violent childhood tragedy that defines our existence and forever isolates and obsesses us (at least I hope not).

 

[Tosk]

Yeah, I find it weird that someone might consider Superman needs "humanizing". Clark is one of the most fundamentally human characters DC has. His genetics may not be from Earth, but he's human through and through.

I subscribe to the modern take that there is no difference between Clark and Superman.

If I remember rightly, he's also been that way more than once in decades gone by. Even though Clark spent an inordinate amount of time leaving when disasters occurred, his personality didn't always differ too much between personas.

 

[The Realist]

If I remember rightly, he's also been that way more than once in decades gone by. Even though Clark spent an inordinate amount of time leaving when disasters occurred, his personality didn't always differ too much between personas.

The great George Reeves played him that way back in the '50s. His Clark was as charming, charismatic, and dynamic as Superman himself.

In calling it "the modern take," I meant it's been conceptually the modern take since John Byrne's post-Crisis comics reboot.

 

[Tosk]

...Just for the record, I was trying to add to your point rather than correct it somehow. Just saying in case it came across that way.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

You missed probably the most important line that happens right after his order to not to interfere with human history. The REAL warning.

"In this next year, we shall examine the human heart. It is more fragile than.."

Human emotion is a contradiction. And fits perfectly with the film's narrative.

I did not miss it. Jor-El's order was letting him know that he can be a help to humanity, but altering time--the natural course of what was meant to be--is not his right for a number of reasons. Arguably for the first time, a filmed Superman acted in a purely selfish instead of selfless manner, as I do not recall Superman from the Fleischer cartoons, Columbia serials, the Reeves show, Filmation '66-'68 or even the Super Friends version ever using his power in any self-serving manner. As noted before, the second he does that, then one would ask why he does not apply that time-reversal power where it really counts (for real world examples in 1978, that could apply to the crash of Air India 855, Moro's kidnapping and murder by the Red Brigade, the mass murders at Jonestown, including Leo Ryan's assassination, etc.). If he does not, then he's awfully selective in applying the benefit of such a power. That was one of the underlying meanings of Jor-El's order.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Superboy spent half his adolescence in the future clowning around with his buddies.

Its worse then that.

According to the mid 2000s update by Geoff Johns, Saturngirl would erase/edit Superboy's memories before returning home, so he wouldn't frakk up the time line.

So little Clark had no idea what he did in the future, and he knew that what he did remember was fake... So why did Superboy keep going back to the Future if all he got out of time travelling was waking up after a black out feeling a year older?

That's almost exactly why I stopped drinking.

Exactly! ...Biologically, each of his years could be 700 days long depending how much of each year he spent in the future... Living in the future.

Isn't Superman also as well alive in the 31st century?

Maybe Clark had to spend a year in the future for every year he wanted to live in the present, if he was maturing slower than Pete Ross and every one else form Smallville? Maybe Clark had to spend 5 years in the future for every year he wanted to live in the present, if he was maturing slower than Pete Ross and every one else form Smallville?

If they are still editing his memories, Superman may have no idea that he's lived most of his life in the future, and will continue to do so until he goes to live inside the sun.

 

[theenglish]

Wow. That's new. Zack Snyder, is that you?
The idea of killing Lois in the 1978 movie is the complete and total opposite of what the movie represents.

In Snyder's version he would have had to actively kill Lois in order to save the planet.

 

[theenglish]

The great George Reeves played him that way back in the '50s. His Clark was as charming, charismatic, and dynamic as Superman himself.

In calling it "the modern take," I meant it's been conceptually the modern take since John Byrne's post-Crisis comics reboot.

Yeah, I remember how "modern" I thought Reeves portrayal of Clark was when I first saw some Superman episodes back in the nineties.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It's cool that we're getting Jared Leto back. This whole thing is a big "what might have been" for Snyder's DC universe and I'm guessing it'll either be flashbacks to Robin's death or having Joker and Batman as allies in the post-apocalyptic future.

 

[Tosk]

Superboy spent half his adolescence in the future clowning around with his buddies.

Its worse then that.

According to the mid 2000s update by Geoff Johns, Saturngirl would erase/edit Superboy's memories before returning home, so he wouldn't frakk up the time line.

So little Clark had no idea what he did in the future, and he knew that what he did remember was fake... So why did Superboy keep going back to the Future if all he got out of time travelling was waking up after a black out feeling a year older?

That's almost exactly why I stopped drinking.

Exactly! ...Biologically, each of his years could be 700 days long depending how much of each year he spent in the future... Living in the future.

Isn't Superman also as well alive in the 31st century?

Maybe Clark had to spend a year in the future for every year he wanted to live in the present, if he was maturing slower than Pete Ross and every one else form Smallville? Maybe Clark had to spend 5 years in the future for every year he wanted to live in the present, if he was maturing slower than Pete Ross and every one else form Smallville?

If they are still editing his memories, Superman may have no idea that he's lived most of his life in the future, and will continue to do so until he goes to live inside the sun.

Wait a minute, something there doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. You stopped drinking?

 

[The Realist]

In Snyder's version he would have had to actively kill Lois in order to save the planet.

 

[Starscream2112]

I wonder if there is any truth to the rumor That Ryan Reynolds is playing Green Lantern in this?

 

[Morpheus 02]

I wonder if there is any truth to the rumor That Ryan Reynolds is playing Green Lantern in this?

I think that's what we saw in the above scene

I am guessing IF he is, they might indeed kill him in order to replace him with other characters

Oh and @Starscream2112 , did you mean the Justice League Remix?

 

[JD]

OK, I've reconsidered my point about Superman, there's nothing wrong with humanizing Superman and Clark, it's just the way Snyder did it in Man of Steel and BvS is not the way I would want to see it done.

OK, it's a little disturbing just how much Snyder seems to be enjoying that.

 

[The Realist]

OK, it's a little disturbing just how much Snyder seems to be enjoying that.

I know, right? You can tell how "KEWL!" he thinks it is for Superman to snap Zod's neck.

 

[Captaindemotion]

And another bad guy may be joining the shoots
https://collider.com/justice-league...fF84E-E6TSJV_6WOSO83BPdOJEHN3I6A-cOhSjw1T8y2Q

 

[JD]

Could we be getting some kind of an expanded version of the post-credits scene that appeared to be setting up the Injustice League? Or was that a Joss Whedon thing?

 

[crookeddy]

Could we be getting some kind of an expanded version of the post-credits scene that appeared to be setting up the Injustice League? Or was that a Joss Whedon thing?

My theory based on these rumors is that they are indeed reshooting the setup for the injustice league. WB will make this the canonic version, and make a sequel based on the new after credits scene.

 

[Tosk]

Could we be getting some kind of an expanded version of the post-credits scene that appeared to be setting up the Injustice League? Or was that a Joss Whedon thing?

Mostly Snyder. Seemingly, the only Whedon bit is the "League of our own" line. Quote from Jesse Eisenberg:

"So first of all, yes. I also got fitted for a suit over the course of a month. I was also doing a show in England and [Warner Bros.] would come to my dressing room like five times to fit me for a suit that you really don’t see. So this incredible suit that was created for that scene for [Lex] is still not the crazy part of the story. So we filmed over the course of two days. They rented this yacht with models and swimming pools and all this crazy stuff.

The crazy part of the story is I went back, months later…two weeks before the movie came out or something, with Joss Whedon and filmed a close-up. Because they wanted to redo some of …they wanted to rewrite some of the lines. So I went back and I flew to LA, and again [had my] head shaved, casting. [Got] a new suit and everything to do a close-up on my face. Like, from above my chin to below my head line. Like, literally to do some dialogue. So that scene, which is like ya know, ten seconds long was…I don’t know how much it cost [Warner Bros.]"

 

[Skywalker]

Man, they made the poor guy shave his head again for a ten second scene? Just put a bald cap on him.