Um... Eminiar sends out a ‘Code 710’ ordering the Enterprise to stay away. Which Fox promptly ignores. So much for respecting sovereignty.
How long before "The Man Trap" did McCoy know Kirk?
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Um... Eminiar sends out a ‘Code 710’ ordering the Enterprise to stay away. Which Fox promptly ignores. So much for respecting sovereignty.
How is evaluating the JGs, promoting the most of them to lieutenant, giving them more responsibility, evaluating how they do, promoting the best qualified lieutenants to lieutenant commander, repeat the process... not meritocracy?
Um... Eminiar sends out a ‘Code 710’ ordering the Enterprise to stay away. Which Fox promptly ignores. So much for respecting sovereignty.
Still nothing about forcing, though.
Because some folks simply don’t need to clean the plasma filters to prove their worth. Especially for years on end.
They went in and blew up their society, if it hadn’t been for a war they would’ve figured another way to force themselves on the Eminians. They already showed they had no respect for their sovereignty.
Lol, yeah, every version of Star Trek has the imprint of the time it was made all over it. That said, I thought NuTrek was far more sexist considering when it was made. I'm not sure what that says about society in 2009. It was a great roller-coaster ride if very dumb.
Maybe as time went on and Kirk's legend grew they felt the need to big him up more but I'm not sure he was meant to be super special in TOS. Wunderkind perhaps and Kirk told Decker that Starfleet captains were a valuable resource, but the others were still willing to make Kirk feel inferior when trialling M5 and were willing to believe that he'd snapped.
I think he's above average but not super heroic. His legend just snowballed over time.
He got one of twelve prime assignments (at somewhere between 29-32 years of age), and you have to figure Starfleet to be a pretty big organization. Something he did stood out.
He has quite a few medals of honour as well, although not as many as Spock.
I always got the impression that a 5 year deep space assignment was something special and daunting that only certain types of people would even want. In some ways I was disappointed that they went back to Earth at all during the show.
That's not a credible argument, it presumes that the experience gained at the lower levels is without value. That's unsupported.
They blew up the society in the course of defending the lives of their own personnel. There is nothing in the episode to support the conclusion that force would have been used otherwise, that is supposition. Again, if they wanted to use force they could have just opened fire immediately.
I always thought that too. Maybe they planed to try them both and see which one gave them the best deal?
If I call you and tell you I’m coming over, you say no, I come anyways and push my way into your home... that’s force.
This is great stuff, do you have it typed out in a year by year timeline so it's a little easier to digest?
That's a shift from your original claim was that the Federation was going to force Eminiar to give them a treaty port.
No, it isn’t. Fox says he’s there for a treaty port and he intends to get it. He then issues orders to ignore their sovereignty.
Once you take that first step, other steps tend to follow until you get what you want. The road to Hell and all that...
Again, that is your assumption of what would happen. It's not supported by the episode.
Second part? Yes. The mention of a treaty port and violating their sovereignty is in the episode.
What underlying factors would cause Starfleet to identify and accelerate promotions of talented officers? War would be one big factor. Such as the Federation-Klingon War shown in DSC. If it occurred from 2256-2257, Kirk could have been a LTJG stuck on Earth teaching at Starfleet Academy when it started. DSC showed a tremendous loss (death) of personnel including officers. During the War, field promotions would be numerous especially on damaged ships with high casualties. Starfleet was practically destroyed. After the War, there could be opportunity for accelerated promotion especially if Starfleet has a strong rebuilding effort. As ships are repaired and new ships brought on line, the surviving officers would be the first up for promotions to crew the ships. YMMV 
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Explain.
They overlooked numerous female characters from TOS that were in positions of authority (T'pau, Number One, female admirals, female Vulcan scientists) so you were left with the two mothers, Uhura (who was effectively Uhura, Rand, and Chapel smooshed into one character), plus a sex object in her underwear. I think they also had a woman at a transporter who was displaced by Chekov. TOS had delusions of progressiveness even if other shows did it better. Trek09 felt very regressive to me for a 21st century sci fi movie. I enjoyed the tweaks to Uhura but any other women solely existed to showcase a man. Even Winona Kirk barely features while he spends all his time missing his dad.
I suppose what I wanted to see was Number One be awesome, Rand updated as a rounded modern character, and Chapel showcased more as a scientist than as a nurse. What we got was very dismissive IMO. If you count the number of male characters with lines vs the number of female characters with lines, the disparity is shocking. I wonder if it is the way that the women were so sidelined that makes it harder for me tolerate the schoolboy level of the male characterisation.
Beyond did a decent job of moving the goalposts a bit.
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Kirk was also in his underwear.
Could be because his dad is dead and his mother is still alive (and re-married a jerk.)
IIRC, the deleted scenes have an "Uncle Frank" who was going to sell George Kirk's Corvette, which led to the joyride.
Lol that might be valid comparison if he spent 90% of his role in his underwear but that was it for her, bless.
As far his mum goes, obviously you can explain what is on screen by repeating the plot but the point is that they made a decision when writing that plot to marginalise her; to make his male role model the pivot of his existence. I would have said Amanda was the pivot for Spock so she ended up in the fridge (which was a shame as TOS Amanda is such a great character).
I think this goes back to the notion of Kirk's legend; that he was so exceptional that he was given special treatment, and I think that's true in TOS. I think he was fast-tracked by reason of the nature of his postings but he got there by hard work and ingenuity, by being a stack of books on legs, by working his way rapidly through the ranks.
NuTrek Kirk is not so deserving. They succeed in spite of him, not because of him. He doesn't follow the chain of command. He doesn't trust the abilities of his team. The only thing he does to help them succeed is turn the ship around but even that strategy was entirely speculative because the Narada was capable of travelling much faster than the Enterprise at that point but chose not to, for reasons unknown to us or the characters. There was no evidence on screen to suggest it was a good plan. They were just lucky.
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