Section 31: I hope it still happens.

[dinzy]

So she's already a displaced Emperor from the Mirror-23rd century, who goes to the Prime 23rd, then to the 32nd, then to another time period? That is non-sense even by the current standards.

Why? She tries to go back to the 23rd but problem happens and she doesn't arrive where she wanted. I don't see how a character's back history should influence where the writers take her. It's like thinking the probability of getting a heads on a coin flip is > 50% because the last 3 results were tails. It's not like they knew the 32nd century was in the cards when they brought her to the Prime Universe and since the show was actually being planned before S1 aired, they have had to adjust it to align with the events of 2 more seasons of Discovery. Should they not have brought her to the 32nd century because that was moving around too much for her character? The writers can do whatever they feel makes the best story they can tell.

Yeah, that Kurtzman quote from Variety......I wonder what things have people guessed right?

If it's what world Section 31 occupies, Georgiou staying in the 32nd century would make the most sense from a narrative point. Or at least I know it's what I'd like to see. Otherwise she'd have to steal Burnham's Red Angel suit (or her mother's; who I assume we'll see again in season 3), or build her own. Neither of which I think are really that good from a storytelling point of view. Because the first scenario would have to have them contradict what they said in season 2, and the second I suppose they could do, but eh... And I imagine there's other ways you can get her back too, but still... eh, just leave her where she is.

Also, having Georgiou setting up Section 31 in the 32nd century could explain why the series hasn't gone into production yet. And that's because they have to first establish the 32nd century in Discovery and then spin-off a Star Trek: Section 31 show from that (and they may have had an initial plan on how they wanted to do things, but may have then come up with a better idea, hense the delay).

Whatever they ultimately end up doing (and whenever they decide to set it) is fine by me. Just give me the black badges and the black uniforms, the all-black everything, and the crazy tech, and I'm good.

I think the delay is more Covid + Yeoh's other commitments + SNW, etc. I.e. multiple factors. And when you have all this extra time to tweak something you are working on, you make a lot of changes. I'm hoping the writers just had a lot of extra time to get the show right because they had nothing else to do and that it shows in the end product.

 

[fireproof78]

See I think they have too much time and will rework and rework until they break it.

 

[Cyrus]

Covid has caused delays in every TV series, and SNW has certainly leapfrogged S31 in the production line.

But I think another reason for the delay could be because CBS AA doesn't need this series. They want year around Star Trek and having 4 series accomplishes that: 10 episode each and 3 weeks break between each series. So there won't be a month without Star Trek and no reason to cancel subscription. And they already have their 4 series: Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds.

A show like "Starfleet Academy" could be sold to a sister network like CW (as Prodigy was to Nickelodeon) but Section 31 being a Discovery spin off should be on CBS AA. And since there are probably no plans to cancel or end any of the other 4 series there is no rush to greenlit Section 31.

But considering that is very hard to adjust schedules to avoid long delays between each show on CBS AA (and covid is throwing a monkey wrench into that for now) maybe it would make sense to have 5 series in production but only show 4 of them each calendar year.

 

[Francis Tonay]

Section 31 will happen.

 

[Mudd]

Section 31 will happen.

Probably not.

 

[Mudd]

God, I hope not. I don't want the 32nd century to dominate Star Trek.

Putting STD there virtually guarantees that it won't.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Probably not.

Except for the whole "We're making Section 31" thing that happened like...last week. Where is the idea that it wasn't coming from again?

 

[Visitor1982]

Starfleet Academy is also set in the 32nd century...

 

[Mudd]

Except for the whole "We're making Section 31" thing that happened like...last week. Where is the idea that it wasn't coming from again?

It's based on the fact that it's all talk and no coming.

The economics of running studios aren't well designed for handling a disruption like the pandemic, any more than most businesses and probably less so than many. If this goes on for another six months or so there will probably be shows that have already aired that will not return. What makes financial sense to the studios and career sense to actors in 2018 under one set of circumstances may well evaporate over a two-to-three year period of no income and no activity. The world turns.

 

[Gonzo]

It's based on the fact that it's all talk and no coming.

Its been long enough since any news of it, even longer since it was first announced.

There is no indication its a non starter but the more time that passes with no news the less likely it is to actually occur.

Personally I am fine whether it happens or not, covid has caused problems for quite a few shows.

Also Georgiou needs to return from the future so they may just be waiting for Discovery to reach a certain point in the next season.

Alternatively covid and the push for SNW has caused a big rethink but they are not ready to admit to that yet.

Georgiou could stay on Discovery and Tyler could be added to SNW instead.

One thing I do know is that the S31 silence is deafening.

 

[fireproof78]

They're focus isn't on S31 right now. There's no reason to assume one way or the other right now.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Its been long enough since any news of it, even longer since it was first announced.

Like....Last Month?

This is from August 27th.

https://www.trektoday.com/content/2020/08/kurtzman-section-31-was-yeohs-idea/

https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/star-trek-section-31-show-setting-spoilers

 

[fireproof78]

Like....Last Month?

Too long. Who can remember last month?

 

[Charles Phipps]

They're focus isn't on S31 right now. There's no reason to assume one way or the other right now.

That's because they have to send the Empress back in time first.

 

[B'elanna_Torres]

Even as a Michelle Yeoh and Section 31 fan, I cannot get behind this idea. Section 31 are the shadowy organisation with only semi-visibility which is all about their appeal. As soon as you turn them into MI6 in episodic form, so much of that mystery will be lost.

Hard pass but Star Trek: Shenzou, please!

And I have to be on board.

 

[Brainsucker]

I have no interest in the Section 31 show whatsoever and I hope they reconsider producing it. The idea of a show about a secret ops organization with no oversight just bores me. And I might be in the minority, but I don’t think Michelle Yeoh is all that, and I certainly don’t like her Mirror Georgiou character, especially as a lead.

It like a mix up of the old TV series Mission Impossible and Star Trek?

 

[Ometiklan]

It like a mix up of the old TV series Mission Impossible and Star Trek?

While I like the old Mission Impossible show and could see something like that working (though maybe not the best fit for Trek), the problem is that S31 is a clearly in the wrong in the Trek universe and shouldn't be portrayed as the hero or anti-hero lead organization - unless they go with some kind of redemption arc for Mirror Georgiou or something like that. But I haven't seen any indication of that in Georgiou's or S31's portrayals so far in DSC.

 

[fireproof78]

While I like the old Mission Impossible show and could see something like that working (though maybe not the best fit for Trek), the problem is that S31 is a clearly in the wrong in the Trek universe and shouldn't be portrayed as the hero or anti-hero lead organization - unless they go with some kind of redemption arc for Mirror Georgiou or something like that. But I haven't seen any indication of that in Georgiou's or S31's portrayals so far in DSC.

Honestly, I would love for a redemption arc for Georgiou. It would be the most interesting way to showcase how she can change by having S31 missions be stuff that she disagrees with and comes to find out it impacts people in a way she hasn't seen before. Basically, getting dropped on the front lines rather than ordering death from afar.

It's a stretch, I doubt they'll go with it, but I would enjoy seeing it. Taking this character a different way from traditional Trek but still have that challenge to personal beliefs.

 

[Rhodan]

Obviously as Burnham senior was talking to Georgiou in S2, it was clear that she saw future events of Section 31 in the original timeline. But the whole season was plagued by continuity problems, so who knows?

 

[KepperC]

I reckon Section 31 has a secure database that logs everything and is still around, so Georgiou finds out they’ve been waiting for her in the future and that sets up the spinoff.