Georgiou and Burnham were also war criminals for strapping a bomb to the dead when they were being retrieved by the Klingons.
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Georgiou and Burnham were also war criminals for strapping a bomb to the dead when they were being retrieved by the Klingons.
Again... whataboutism. Not dealing with the points raised.
I didn't see anyone pinning a medal on those characters for their actions. Spock was even visibly surprised by Kirk's callous remark in TUC. And by the end of the film, Kirk has realised he was hanging onto prejudice.
Here is what is inescapable: The climax to a rebooting of the Star Trek franchise climaxes in mass murder endorsed by Spock, sanctioned by Kirk, and enjoyed by Sulu, who, with the gleeful go-ahead of his skipper, fires the Enterprise's full spread of weapons without hesitation while smirking in delight.
What makes this even more deranged is that cheating Kirk, during the Kobayashi Maru, gave the order to fire "one photon" at each Klingon ship, on the basis that they "[shouldn't] waste ammunition". But here, when he's no longer in a simulation, and when his own ship is mortally threatened by the black hole, he orders Sulu to "fire everything" they have, and then stupidly waits around to enjoy the decimation of the enemy, trapping the Enterprise and endangering everyone onboard in the process. And then he has a medal pinned on him five minutes later and is promoted all the way to Captain.
Polite conversations don't normally take the form of blankly dismissing serious points raised by the other party. Your veiled insinuation I should be censored for conduct you perceive as uncivil speaks to something unseemly in your character. How am I to reach a different conclusion when you have all but bragged you'd enjoy rounding many people up and seeing them jailed "for a very, very long time"?
I'll give you this, you are an interesting poster. You don't really seem to grasp what other people are saying and just keep repeating the same things. Ignoring when people put facts out because they don't align with your views. You may want to actually learn what "genocide" is and what conditions it occurs under.
Star Trek is about people, and people is a pretty wide spectrum of thoughts, ideas and actions.
Enjoy? No. I'd prefer they act in the best interests of the citizens and law they swore an oath to protect and uphold. Those who commit crimes should be punished for those crimes. When the crime is shooting or harming someone without cause, then they should be put away for a very long time.
I know its off topic but I have to applaud this. I knew I liked you for a reason...
I know its off topic but I have to applaud this. I knew I liked you for a reason...
I have my moments.
Just for clarity, this was the exchange. What would you do with officers who break the law? You fly off the handle because "You're probably the kind of person who doesn't think the police are capable of murder, either.", then fly off the handle because I reply with "Just a by-the-by, there are many who I would round up and sentence to prison for a very, very long time." Are you not remembering what you are saying from post to post?
You're kinda all over the place. You claim Star Trek isn't "X", when proven wrong, you just spout it's a "whataboutism". If it's in Star Trek, then it is part of Star Trek. Especially where TOS is concerned for me.
For someone that got uppity about "insults" being thrown, it's notable that this post is nothing but ad hominem. I'm not going to dignify your screed with a proper response. I'll just say this:
I certainly wasn't "flying off the handle". That is merely your interpolation. The "many" (with regard to your "round up" wish) wasn't given any qualification by you; yet you now seem to imply you were referring to police officers.
And in any case, you never outright affirmed that you believe the police are capable of murder, even though you had the perfect chance to clarify your position. I can remember what I write. It seems that you just can't communicate very well. Although I sense a degree of obscurantism is the point.
Jesus Christ.
It was in response to your post about police. Who the fuck else would I be talking about?
It was in response to your post about police. Who the fuck else would I be talking about?
Profanity. Nice.
Not against the board rules.
It may not be against the rules, but it's aggressive and uncalled for (and generally weakens a person's position) -- but I guess only you get to decide when that happens.
Paranoia must be a rough condition to deal with.
It really isn’t. You’ve accused me of trying to censor you, being okay with cops killing citizens and that only I decide the course of the conversation. It is classic paranoia. You need a bad guy.
Learn to understand words and concepts:
KIRK: This is Captain James T. Kirk of the U.S.S. Enterprise. Your ship is compromised. [You're] too close to the singularity to survive without assistance, which we are willing to provide.
SPOCK: Captain, what are you doing?
KIRK: Show[ing] them compassion, it may be the only way to earn peace with Romulus. It's logic, Spock. Thought you'd like that.
SPOCK: No, not really. Not this time.
NERO: I would rather suffer the end of Romulus a thousand times. I would rather die in agony than accept assistance from you.
KIRK: You got it. Arm phasers, fire everything we've got.
SULU: Yes, sir!
Sure. But there was no need for Kirk to do anything to the Narada. It was already about to be swallowed and torn apart by the black hole. Instead, he chose to order Sulu to fire a barrage of weapons fire at a helpless ship, and imperilled the Enterprise by hanging around in the process. Brilliant leadership right there.
There was no guarantee the Narada would not survive. He would have been negligent to allow them to escape after the Narada committed genocide.
It's been a long time since I've seen the 2009 Film... but I thought it was Nero who was genocidal? Destroying Vulcan and whatnot.
Am I to believe Cryogenic is backing Nero? Quick answer. I'm not reading the entirety of his posts.
Am I to believe Cryogenic is backing Nero? Quick answer. I'm not reading the entirety of his posts.
Cryogenic is stating that Kirk opening fire on the Narada equals genocide.
There is also the interpretation that Kirk and Sulu smirk and are happy to be firing on the Narada. I personally don't see that watching the clip but I'm biased so what do I know?
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