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Why the soft reboot?

And having Pike in DSC is what really greased the wheels to get Strange New Worlds going.
Someone's going to ask me why they didn't do SNW in the first place, if they wanted their first new series to be in the TOS Era. I think they were worried it might look too similar to the Abrams Films. I think those films stalling out and Pike being so popular on DSC is what made them finally decide to go ahead with it. So they tip-toed with Short Treks, and gauged the reaction even further, before diving into Strange New Worlds.
 
And I never said TOS wasn't popular just that placing DIS in that time has its problems. And just to clear it up because everything has to be qualified for DIS fans I thought there were also issues with ENT and Kelvin for the same reason
It does have its problems but it is also the most popular part of the franchise as evidenced by money. So, CBS went with what they thought was a very popular time period, and then BTS shit hit the fan again and again.

TOS is still, to my mind, an untapped mine of story possibilities as is Kelvin. But, its reception is mixed.
 
The Abrams Films were popular. TOS merchandising was selling the best. But CBS's bread-and-butter was the Prime Timeline. Thus DSC took place in the TOS Era, was branded as Prime Timeline, and advertised Burnham as Spock's Foster-Sister to rope in TOS and Abrams Fans at the same time. That's the real-life boring answer for why they set DSC right before TOS.

Maybe Bryan Fuller had creative reasons for setting it there, but CBS approved of it for business reasons.

At some point, I have no idea when, they decided it would be better if DSC wasn't a prequel. They wanted to do Big Scale Events and constantly butting up against TOS was preventing them from being able to go all-out. If they'd set the series during the same time as Picard, it would've been the same problem: having to share with PIC. In the Far Future, none of that is an issue.

Bryan Fuller's original pitch for DSC was that first it would take place in the TOS Era, then the TNG Era, and then in The Future, each with a different crew. So the Discovery crew was only originally meant to be seen for one season and there was no long-term multi-season plan for them.

They ditched that idea and kept the same crew but, either by accident or design, they found their way back to the original idea that DSC would take place in different time periods. That was the original plan, and that's what they found their way back to, so the natural compass for DSC was and is The Future.

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Anyway, had they not set DSC in the 23rd Century at first, they might not have chosen to recycle the ship design from Planet of the Titans. I always loved that design and always thought it was a waste that they never used it before. If they'd set DSC in the 25th Century, Discovery would've looked like some shitty jelly fish. I'm sorry, I know this is an Unpopular Opinion, but I don't like 24th/25th Century ship designs.

And having Pike in DSC is what really greased the wheels to get Strange New Worlds going.

So things happen for a reason.
Amazing answer.Thank you for taking the time
 
All of pop culture is just retread, reboot, nostalgia.

There's something happening here.

How many Batman and Spiderman reboots can we have. Even going back to the same old Emperor well in SW9: Zzzzzzzzz.

I do think it was insecurity. I'm on record here early on wishing DSC would just go ... discover some shit instead of fanwankery, which only got worse in S 2.5 (too TOO bad Gretchen and Aaron were MEANIES and got fired, couldve been a WAY cooler arc.

And yes, dear me, PIC is just louse-y with cameos and callbacks. Very small universe. Very disappointing. Ima rewatch DSC S1 (first half) and 2 (same) I think. Kinda hopeful about s3 if it can finally be its own show and.not so fanwanky.
 
All of pop culture is just retread, reboot, nostalgia.

There's something happening here.

How many Batman and Spiderman reboots can we have. Even going back to the same old Emperor well in SW9: Zzzzzzzzz.

I don't think "how many reboots" is the right question. SW9 was bad, sure, but Batman Begins et seq. were good.
 
How many Batman and Spiderman reboots can we have.
As many as the market is willing to bear. Bring them on I say. Same with Trek. I love ST 09 almost as much as I love TOS. Adam West will always be my Batman but Christian Bale's take was excellent. I am eagerly anticipating the upcoming Batman film with a whole other take.
Even going back to the same old Emperor well in SW9:
I would expect nothing less from the mastermind of the prequels who could never be beaten.
 
All of pop culture is just retread, reboot, nostalgia.

There's something happening here.

How many Batman and Spiderman reboots can we have. Even going back to the same old Emperor well in SW9: Zzzzzzzzz.

I do think it was insecurity. I'm on record here early on wishing DSC would just go ... discover some shit instead of fanwankery, which only got worse in S 2.5 (too TOO bad Gretchen and Aaron were MEANIES and got fired, couldve been a WAY cooler arc.

And yes, dear me, PIC is just louse-y with cameos and callbacks. Very small universe. Very disappointing. Ima rewatch DSC S1 (first half) and 2 (same) I think. Kinda hopeful about s3 if it can finally be its own show and.not so fanwanky.

"Anything after Return of the Jedi is a remake."
Zzzzzzz.
 
I don't think "how many reboots" is the right question. SW9 was bad, sure, but Batman Begins et seq. were good.
Nolan Batman told a new story with a new style using old characters and was helped by good writing and fantastic casting. A new Batman is fine if it can find a new place to take it but we have already had camp, goth, silly action, cartoon, dark and whatever Afflick was supposed to be so I don't see where Pattinson can go with it.

As for SW and Trek I've enjoyed the newer stuff but they have a weird mix of new and nostalgia and ide rather go full on nostalgia fest like Lower Decks or PIC or a new style with new crew like Mandelorian and hopefully S3 DIS
 
"Anything after Return of the Jedi is a remake."
Zzzzzzz.

I liked SW7 as midrash, then hoped they would do something new. Yes! SW8. Enjoyed them both a lot. Then 9 was such a letdown. Eeeeevil guy is back, will be defeated somehow.

I'm not saying another freakin' Batman movie won't be "good." Or that the market won't reward another Spiderman reboot Or Transformers. Or Rugrats, or whatever. Didn't they just do Sonic the Hedgehog? Toy Story? In fact, I guess that is the point. Keep going back to the well, and people will reward ya.

Eh, whatever. I truly hope DSC3 can do something newish, even, though in old Star Trek wineskins.

And I am guilty of waiting for Pike, whose structure/vibe is touted as being old school, episodic/hopeful.
 
Nolan Batman told a new story with a new style using old characters and was helped by good writing and fantastic casting. A new Batman is fine if it can find a new place to take it but we have already had camp, goth, silly action, cartoon, dark and whatever Afflick was supposed to be so I don't see where Pattinson can go with it.
"New story...":guffaw:

Batman Begins was basically a version of "The Mark of Zorro" (the old pulp and film serial versions); with characters from the Batman mythos. Now realize I thought it was well done and liked it a lot - but it was hardly "new".
 
There might not be any new stories. Shakespeare and the Bible probably covered all the biggies.

It's the retread of franchises and frameworks. Did I see they're doing another nother BSG? And I just emailed my wife a link to the Gollum trailer as that studio goes back to the same cash cow well. And yes, many people will think these things good, not saying they're not. Just saying I like chocolate, but if every dish I eat for three days is a variation on chocolate, eventually ...

A famous social commentator who considers herself a decadent and likes a lot of our culture does.see in it a lot of the signs of classic decadent cultures. Spinning our wheels artistically is one of them. If i can find it I'll link to it.
 
Just saying I like chocolate, but if every dish I eat for three days is a variation on chocolate, eventually ...
Eventually what. Sounds good to me. My dream job was the chocolate quality taster for Hershey's when the last guy retired.
 
"New story...":guffaw:

Batman Begins was basically a version of "The Mark of Zorro" (the old pulp and film serial versions); with characters from the Batman mythos. Now realize I thought it was well done and liked it a lot - but it was hardly "new".
Practically every story can be traced to an older one so no need to be condescending. Obviosly I meant a new story from a batman point of view (and I do know they were based somewhat on comics but comics dont hit a wide audience)
 
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