Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard
- Thread starter pst
- Start date
It was the nicest way I could say I'm right and he's wrong based on verifiable evidence. No worries, I've fixed the problem.
RAMA
RAMA
Except you've yet to provide any solid evidence.
I'm on your side here, but you're not making it easy.
Except you haven’t proved me wrong, or ‘fixed’ anything. You posted a link to that interview, where the VFX guy was asked a question as to why all the ships looked the same, and the VFX guy didn’t actually answer the question, he just blustered his way though it and blamed the fans for not liking the finished product. He never actually stated just why all the ships looked the same. I asked you to point out the VFX guy’s exact wording that proves he actually answered the question posed to him, and instead all you did was insult me. So no, you’re not right, and continually telling yourself you are right doesn’t make you any more right than when you first started. So I’ll ask you again: quote to me the part of the interview where Dekovic definitively answered the question as to why all the ships looked the same. Don’t insult me, don’t evade the question, just answer the question. If you’re ‘always right’ like you constantly claim you are, it should be easy for you to answer my question.
Last edited:
"Burying your head in the sand to cover a mistake ... or simply being stubborn" is not the nicest way.
Okay, lets do same quasi facts.
Dominion war was ended in 2375, so it was 10 years till the destruction of Mars/Utopia Planitia docks in 2385.
Supernova happened in 2387 or so, and Picard happened in 2399
So the docks existed for another 10 years after the war pushing out and repairing ships.
So to me, this would be a time of fleet build up, possible decommissioning ships as they went with new ones. Namely the Excellsiors, mirandas, frankenstiens, that littered the dominion war. Mostly outdated, and to me the federation was on a more "militaristic" footing after the war, protecting there space.
so in that 10 years, shipyards the federation over would be cranking out ships, from what we saw in voyager there was what? 50 or more docks, and ships being built on the ground. so lets put out that there was 200 ships in repair, or being built.
At the time of the synth attack, most of the building would have probably been transport ships for the evac fleet.
Now, to me, why would you wait to send a fleet? as in, wait till say 1000 was built the send them all? why not say 5 or 10 ships, when done, send them on there way to help the evacuation. It sounded like they were gathering ALL the ships, 1000's at mars to be sent at a latter time.. that seems butt stupid.
So the synth attack from on screen evidence, seems to have Only been attacking Mars and there shipyards and fleet. ( also strangely stupid, if dumb androids were widespread, why only Mars?) So a small ferry fleet, plus whatever ships were destroyed , probably mostly ferry ships since they were still being built. with the occasional refit/repair.
That still leaves Earth docks, Jupiter docks, Andorian, Vulcan, tellerite, Etc. Docks left alone and still running. So ships are still being cranked out en mass.
And the attack itself, the "Mars is still burning" line just irks me.. If IF there was some flammable substance in the stratosphere, it would have burned out like that episode of Enterprise where they lit it on fire.. most a Flash Fire, boom, done. you would have to have a continuing fuel source for it to be on fire 15 years latter! but as mars was "terraformed" it wasn't breathable yet, like in enterprise, just the atmospheric pressure was increased so you wouldn't die immediately. So there isn't enough Oxygen to burn .. anything.. I know Star Trek isn't hard sci fi, but I just wish sometimes they'd be less Fantasy..
Now as I've said before, The final fleet being one design didn't bother me in that, after the war, they probably went with the same design to save time and resources, and just cranked out dozens of Inquity? classes. Not unlike 1000's of Mirandas or Excellsiors in past years. And when Picard called, there was probably a sector fleet that scrambled to get to the planet, and if as Riker said the ships were the Newest and fastest... then there might have been other different classes coming, just that an older Galaxy or Sovereign might be SLOWER and didn't get there in time to see the fight. Maybe, or that was all the ships at a particular base at the time. We can think of reasons aplenty for only 1/2 classes showing up,
We're upset becuase they desided that either they didn't have enough time to make any or decided in the first place to just make 2 classes. and upseting the fans that would have loved to see older ships, Ala the Voyager Endgame Fleet.
But in the end, its what they gave us, and hope we get to see other classes in future seasons.
Dominion war was ended in 2375, so it was 10 years till the destruction of Mars/Utopia Planitia docks in 2385.
Supernova happened in 2387 or so, and Picard happened in 2399
So the docks existed for another 10 years after the war pushing out and repairing ships.
So to me, this would be a time of fleet build up, possible decommissioning ships as they went with new ones. Namely the Excellsiors, mirandas, frankenstiens, that littered the dominion war. Mostly outdated, and to me the federation was on a more "militaristic" footing after the war, protecting there space.
so in that 10 years, shipyards the federation over would be cranking out ships, from what we saw in voyager there was what? 50 or more docks, and ships being built on the ground. so lets put out that there was 200 ships in repair, or being built.
At the time of the synth attack, most of the building would have probably been transport ships for the evac fleet.
Now, to me, why would you wait to send a fleet? as in, wait till say 1000 was built the send them all? why not say 5 or 10 ships, when done, send them on there way to help the evacuation. It sounded like they were gathering ALL the ships, 1000's at mars to be sent at a latter time.. that seems butt stupid.
So the synth attack from on screen evidence, seems to have Only been attacking Mars and there shipyards and fleet. ( also strangely stupid, if dumb androids were widespread, why only Mars?) So a small ferry fleet, plus whatever ships were destroyed , probably mostly ferry ships since they were still being built. with the occasional refit/repair.
That still leaves Earth docks, Jupiter docks, Andorian, Vulcan, tellerite, Etc. Docks left alone and still running. So ships are still being cranked out en mass.
And the attack itself, the "Mars is still burning" line just irks me.. If IF there was some flammable substance in the stratosphere, it would have burned out like that episode of Enterprise where they lit it on fire.. most a Flash Fire, boom, done. you would have to have a continuing fuel source for it to be on fire 15 years latter! but as mars was "terraformed" it wasn't breathable yet, like in enterprise, just the atmospheric pressure was increased so you wouldn't die immediately. So there isn't enough Oxygen to burn .. anything.. I know Star Trek isn't hard sci fi, but I just wish sometimes they'd be less Fantasy..
Now as I've said before, The final fleet being one design didn't bother me in that, after the war, they probably went with the same design to save time and resources, and just cranked out dozens of Inquity? classes. Not unlike 1000's of Mirandas or Excellsiors in past years. And when Picard called, there was probably a sector fleet that scrambled to get to the planet, and if as Riker said the ships were the Newest and fastest... then there might have been other different classes coming, just that an older Galaxy or Sovereign might be SLOWER and didn't get there in time to see the fight. Maybe, or that was all the ships at a particular base at the time. We can think of reasons aplenty for only 1/2 classes showing up,
We're upset becuase they desided that either they didn't have enough time to make any or decided in the first place to just make 2 classes. and upseting the fans that would have loved to see older ships, Ala the Voyager Endgame Fleet.
But in the end, its what they gave us, and hope we get to see other classes in future seasons.
They didn’t wait until the fleet was completed before using the ships. At least one of them, the USS Nightingale, evacuated Romulans to another planet. But if the ships were crewed by synths, they could have self-destructed any ships not already at Utopia Planitia.
Last edited:
I just noticed that there appears to be a Hull Separation Joint about halfway back.
She's got like 6 or 8 Impulse (?) Engines on the back.
I wonder if it separates into two craft?
Probably not, but that would be cool.
I feel as though it would be a separation line to facilitate adding components to the ship, like to increase it's cargo capacity or the like, similar to adding a leaf in the dining table. I think this would be accomplished at a facility, and not during flight.
I think with 24/25th century Nano-Tech paint technology, you can have it so that the hull changes the color of the paint so that on the surface, the ID could disappear before battle so that vessels can't be targeted via Visual ID. Electronic SubSpace RF ID codes would obviously be Encrypted by default, so IDing them electronically would be incredibly hard.
I concur that not giving the enemy much data is better then giving them more if you're about to fight.
Regardless of how you want to design your "Rapid Reaction Force", reducing the amount of information given to the enemy is always good before battle.
Well, here's a question, in Star Trek, where is the Electronic Countermeasures? as in, active jamming, or attempting to infiltrate a ships commputer, or have the federation have just shy of a cloaking divice? Not a full cloak but have active jamming, dark paint, countermeasures for detection?
That was a feature in Starfleet Command, even with ECCM IIRC
Gene's Vision™ penetrates all such measures.
So STO's getting the Inquiry, and part of the art assets Cryptic got from CBS, included(pre-Cryptic) John Eaves STO concept art, that some of us here speculated it was based off, so that's confirmed.
Screenshots:
https://imgur.com/a/ST7V5Bc
CBS didn't give them a size scale, so they scaled it to around the same size as their 'Avenger Class', which I don't know the length of.
The registry was added by them, the show version didn't have one.
It will have the other nacelles from the episode as an option.
Screenshots:
https://imgur.com/a/ST7V5Bc
CBS didn't give them a size scale, so they scaled it to around the same size as their 'Avenger Class', which I don't know the length of.
The registry was added by them, the show version didn't have one.
It will have the other nacelles from the episode as an option.
Last edited:
The more I see it the more I like it.
It’s not bad - not spectacular, but not bad. I think I like the forward navigational deflector the least. It shouldn’t look like a Buick grille, but that’s just me. 
According to one of the devs if you look head on your can see the actual deflector behind it. No images of that.It’s not bad - not spectacular, but not bad. I think I like the forward navigational deflector the least. It shouldn’t look like a Buick grille, but that’s just me.
It's nice to see Buick still at it.It’s not bad - not spectacular, but not bad. I think I like the forward navigational deflector the least. It shouldn’t look like a Buick grille, but that’s just me.
That makes sense, actually. The impulse engines also have thick grilles that make them look dark off-angle.
