Ive never seen Roots and only know it through Burton. I see there are now 2 versions and am wondering which one is better for a watch?
Thoughts on "Code of Honor"...
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I wouldnt find it fun or escapism either. Horrible stories need to be told and seen too
The newer one has more historical accuracy in its portrayal of Africa, the older one follows closer to the book (which was shown to have a lot of mistakes in how Africa worked back then, it shows Kunta Kinte's home a s more stereotypical tribal than it likely was)
I can also recommend 12 years a slave, both the book and the movie.
Watch both
At least they did not give him pretty beads in exchange for a continent size land mass.
Thanks man. Ive seen the 12 years its a great film and judging by your descriptions the new Roots sounds like the one for me
I have seen 12 Years of Slave and didn't really like it that much. I think when it comes to exploring racism in movies I have been more into stuff set in modern day. Do the RIght Thing is one of my top 10 movies of all time. Also love most of Spike Lee's movies. Get on the Bus and Malcom X and Bamboozled and She's Got to Have It and just the other day I watched School Daze. Also Moonlight and Detroit are some more modern examples. One Civil War movie I do like is Glory. I still find the final battle were they storm the base and all die to be very powerful stuff.
Jason
Jason
Data was left alone in the armory for hours.
He should have stripped the poison, or changed the poison to a sedative.
At the end, Yarina knocked Lutan down to second husband.
Polygamists.
Cool.
But that means that she still plans on having sex with Lutan when her (new) first husband is tired.
I suppose we have to think of the children?
Royals are all about securing a bloodline.
"Hey kids, I killed your daddy last night, so you're all disinherited, ttfn."
But that means that the children from the first husband and second husband also get upended as far as inheritances go.
Riker dressed up as a Rentboy on Angel one.
He didn't feel obliged to show off his chest this week either?
Or was "Bill" afraid that Yarena would kidnap him for husband material?
Wait...
If Yarina married Riker, and Lutan Married Yar, then Yar and Riker would be sibling spouses, and if anything happened to both Lutan and Yarena, then Riker and Yar would be the king and Queen of Ligon II.
Oh.
Yar and YARena.
It wasn't her white skin, pretty face of athletic body that made Lutan think devious thoughts about Yar definitely politically and maybe sexually.
THEY HAVE THE SAME FU##ING NAME!
Completely interchangeable.
He should have stripped the poison, or changed the poison to a sedative.
At the end, Yarina knocked Lutan down to second husband.
Polygamists.
Cool.
But that means that she still plans on having sex with Lutan when her (new) first husband is tired.
I suppose we have to think of the children?
Royals are all about securing a bloodline.
"Hey kids, I killed your daddy last night, so you're all disinherited, ttfn."
But that means that the children from the first husband and second husband also get upended as far as inheritances go.
Riker dressed up as a Rentboy on Angel one.
He didn't feel obliged to show off his chest this week either?
Or was "Bill" afraid that Yarena would kidnap him for husband material?
Wait...
If Yarina married Riker, and Lutan Married Yar, then Yar and Riker would be sibling spouses, and if anything happened to both Lutan and Yarena, then Riker and Yar would be the king and Queen of Ligon II.
Oh.
Yar and YARena.
It wasn't her white skin, pretty face of athletic body that made Lutan think devious thoughts about Yar definitely politically and maybe sexually.
THEY HAVE THE SAME FU##ING NAME!
Completely interchangeable.
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Watching "Code of Honor(TNG)" leads to many reactions. This being one of them:
The only thing keeping Code of Honor not being the worst episode ever is because Shades of Grey also exists in Trek and their is some boring stuff in season 7 and later season Voyager and ever season Discovery that isn't offensive but is just boring and one thing you can't say about Code of Honor is that it's boring. Lots of unintentional humor. The irony is if someone tried to do that episode as a spoof it would never have been as good as someone doing it by accident because they didn't know better.
Jason
Jason
But what about the poor innocent people of Styris IV who would have died without the Ligonian's much needed vaccine. Anchilles Fever is no small thing to laugh at!
Jason
Beam in, take the Vaccine, beam out. What's Lutan gonna do? Send them a formal complaint in space? Do the Ligonians even have space ships? Season 1 was weirdly gun-ho about visiting non-warp capable civilizations, and it happens in all the worst episodes: Code of Honour, Angel One and Justice.
After all with taking the vaccine without asking, they'd just be honouring the culture of the Ligonians, it's not their fault if Lutan can't reach them in interstellar space to ask for it to be returned.
No.
The prime directive is about altering the natural development of a species.
A species just has to know about aliens, and then they are allowed to know more about aliens from Starfleet.
There are lots of ways of knowing about life being out there without inventing warp.
Also, the Federation wanted the vaccine.
The Federation is not bound by the Prime Directive.
After the Federation introduced themselves, Starfleet was allowed to make second contact.
While the episode is really awful, much of that is because of the casting and direction. The dialogue isn't the greatest in some cases but it certainly could have been much better had the direction been more competent. I doubt if the script was any worse than such clunkers as Datalore, Lonely Among Us, the Last Outpost, etc.
Well, TOS did it too -- see Capella in "Friday's Child," for instance. People forget that the whole "warp-capable" parameter wasn't established until "First Contact" exactly halfway through TNG's run.
And really, it's not that hard to understand how a non-warp-capable civilization could be aware of space and other worlds. After all, the Federation isn't the only spacefaring power in the galaxy. Any other power without a Prime Directive could've visited these worlds at some point and introduced them to the existence of aliens. Capella's first contact could've been with the Klingons, or maybe with Space Boomers or Andorians in the days before the Prime Directive. "Angel One" was explicitly a case of Federation civilians making contact because they weren't bound by Starfleet rules like the PD (although that raises the question of how the PD is remotely enforceable if it only applies to the military).
Of course, none of that explains "Justice," which was explicitly a first contact. That one made no sense. Even by the TOS understanding of the Prime Directive, just revealing themselves openly as starfarers to a world with no spaceflight should've been a no-no.
While I agree that contact with pre-warp civilizations was nothing unusual in TOS I think that TNG established it as something that was prohibited as early as "Who Watches the Watchers" in Season 3. Or maybe it just seems that way because of later canon. I only discovered Star Trek at a time when TNG had long ended and First Contact (the movie) was already shown on network TV.
I can't remember them interacting with any pre-warb civilizations in Season 2, but it's been months since I did my TNG rewatch.
This makes those three season 1 episodes feel rather weird in retrospective and makes the Enterprise crew in Season 1 look like they did whatever they felt like.
From an out-of-universe perspective the answer is of course that they hadn't established the PD rules like they had them later on.
But I agree that the Angel One situation is the most acceptable one when viewed through the lense of the later version of the PD; there was a crashed ship and Federation citizens were running about.
But that still leaves the contact they had with the "Federation Vessel" they had decades before the episode, I don't think we ever learn whether that was civilian or Starfleet. But might that have happened because they so close to the Neutral Zone?
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