I'd watch a discussion about Ilias vs. Odyssey. How all those ships of the Ilias were copied and pasted, or how Homer II 's Odyssey sucks and he was fired. 10 times or so, but it was covered up so as to not upset the fans.
Lt. Mary Sue on Lower Decks series
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He's pretty much a mute.
The supporting characters on DIS contribute as much as the supporting characters on all the other shows. Michael Burnham is no more unrealistically accomplished than the lead characters of the other shows. Why, she isn't even Space Jesus!
I swear this thread was moved over as part of a cruel joke on The Old Mixer's part.
The Beatles suck! The Monkees are better!
No, not The Who, The Beatles. You know, the band with the guy who said he was bigger than Jesus - which is a somewhat impressive feat considering Jesus didn't beat up or neglect his wife while singing about peace... but he had the same hairdo, so that helps.
The quality of the speech helps. Picard and Sisko didn't need some other character to say "He was the top at the academy, even besting all the Vulcans!" But these script dramaramas have existed for decades, "show vs exposition" and all that. But at least today's sci-fi has better visual style and whiz bang pew-pew.
LD is a parody. If they didn't go too crazy, they could have as much fun with a Lt Mary Sue (and fellow Lt Marty Stu) as they would for any other character. The show has the right feel of zaniness. And if I of all people wasn't taken aback in a show being a parody that is parodying itself (or rather its own franchise) and pressing the right buttons... (as far as teasers go, I hope the actual show is as fun. It wouldn't fly in 1990 but it's 2020.)
There always been "badass female action heroes", most notably the characters Ripley and Sarah Connors. But most of them tend to be relegated to the B-movies, like the characters played by the likes of Brigitte Neilsen and Chochita Alonzo.
Also, the difference between the character from "Commando" and Rey, is that the character from "Commando" actually had to work for his wins, even though he was already a trained soldier. What did Rey, a trainless noob, do to earn her victories? Only once did she risk death, and that was during the THIRD film.
Rey simply survived on a harsh desert planet constantly fighting for her next meal.
If that doesn't count as training then at this point in time I don't know what will. The Fremen in the upcoming Dune movie will be quite Mary Sueish too.
If that doesn't count as training then at this point in time I don't know what will. The Fremen in the upcoming Dune movie will be quite Mary Sueish too.
When TNG and TOS came out, there wasn't anywhere NEAR the amount of content that there is today.
Kids today have many more choices than they did thirty years ago.
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Yep, funny how people never seem to have a problem with NuKirk has the exact same qualities as a Mary Sue.
I don't know...There must be some substantial difference NuKirk and Rey but now it escapes me ... Hair Color? Height?
You can't compare absolutely NOTHING to a "Mary Sue", because now this term means absolutely NOTHING. Really, IMO administrators should ban any thread that has the word "Mary Sue" in the title. It's just food for trolls.
This is absolute hogwash. Arnold Schwarzenegger in Commando (theoretically, his character has a name -- but let's be real, Arnold Schwarzenegger is playing Arnold Schwarzenegger in that movie) is arguably the most ridiculously over-powerful, over-competent cliched 80s muscle-man badass ever depicted in the history of cinema; it verges on (but never quite reaches) self-parody. He only "works" for his wins in the sense that he has to stand up in order to beat the bad guys and can't literally do it while asleep in bed; combat is ridiculously easy for him.
Rey struggles considerably more for her combat victories in all three SW ST films than Schwarzenegger ever does in Commando.
Disagree. Arnold's character (and let's face it, COMMANDO is a live action cartoon), has stakes involved. He has a time-limit before the bad guys realize that they have been duped. Meanwhile, he is getting punched and stabbed throughout the film.
Meanwhile, there are very little stakes involved in Rey's life. She's a desert urchin that happens to get caught up in events not of her own chosen. Her "skills" at combat are laughable. She only gets a "quest" after she learns about Kylo Ren's intentions. And the stakes? Not only did she NOT get scarred, but that she had to have help to defeat both Snoke and Palpatine, which had nothing to do with the threat that was the fleet of ships Palpatine wanted to unleash.
The thing is though is that I LIKE the Rey character, and didn't mind that the fact that she was "gifted". But I wanted more for her, in terms of how a gifted character with no training could topple an empire. If that part od was done well, I doubt we would be having this discussion.
The stakes with commando are all fairly personal, similar to Rey. And yes, I do see Rey get injured, her combat skills make sense for her background and her struggles was apparent to me.
Versus Commando were I don't believe he is in danger. He takes out an entire army. And doesn't reload.
Compared to the gritty realism of movie which is about SPACE WIZARDS?
I would love to see Mariner introduce herself as “Ensign Beckett Mary Sue Mariner” to someone in-dialogue, just to throw the meta-bird to self-important fan blustering.
Like Agents of SHIELD did when Daisy (then known as "Skye") revealed that the name that the orphange gave her was "Mary Sue Poots".
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It's not really sexist. There's Mary Sue and also Mary Stu for men.
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