I've no idea how you still haven't figured out why it's perfectly acceptable to expect better from a tv series in 2020 compared to one in 1966. It's like saying they copy and pasted the Enteprise in The Ultimate Computer over 50 years ago, so that makes it 100% fine for Picard to do it 200 times in 2020. Please.
And I have no idea why it works inside the context of the story is perfectly acceptable as well. No, I don't expect better. If the story works then it works for me, 2020 or 1966. Everyone's opinion will vary but seriously people keep demanding "better" without any sort of recognition of how it works inside the story.
I quote myself from the horrifying thread Is Rey a Mary Sue? (why the heck polls where people ask "Is [female character] a Mary Sue?" are still permitted???) I re-watched recently Commando and the protagonist is an infallible and unstoppable killing machine, but I clearly remember at the time no one complained that Schwarzenegger's character was too much overpowered or unrealistically awesome. He was the personification of every male dream and everybody was ok with that. But now there are badass female action heroes, and the frail male ego of too much people is exploding.
Please cut the crap. You deliberately ignored every single thing I mentioned. You've ignored other examples I've listed from this century just to keep this going because if you addressed them, you'd either have to forfeit your points or admit that you're holding Burnham to a double-standard. Just doubling down and repeating your script doesn't make any of what I said go away. When you can address my points, we'll start this up again. In the meantime, own the fact that you just don't like Burnham. Don't double down on this nonsense. Dressing it up as something else just makes it worse. I'd have more respect for you, a lot of other people here would have more respect for you, if you just owned up to it and stopped hiding behind bullshit.
Excuse me? No need to be so high and mighty, or patronising. I didn't ignore anything. The only thing I didn't quote from your post was "And did you have an issue with Saving The Day in 2000 or 1990? What did you think when Archer saved the day? Or was that not acceptable in 2004? Hell, what did you think of Kirk saving the day in 2009?" ... and I replied to that by saying other captains in strategic positions saved the day over the course of a series, yes. What are you talking about? I don't like Burnham. I've said that many times. I have no idea what point you're trying to make. I think she's a bland character made worse by SMG's performance. Is that owning my opinion enough for you? The fact that the universe seems to revolve around her is a separate issue I have with her. Oh and I have zero concern how much respect you have for me. Nor how you call my opinions bullshit, all because you don't like them.
I swear this thread was moved over as part of a cruel joke on The Old Mixer's part. The Beatles suck! The Monkees are better!
@Lord Garth and @Kpnuts, please drop your back and forth. There's no reason to get personal and question the other poster's motives. If you can't behave we'll seriously have to consider @The Old Mixer's suggestion and close this one.
No. The galaxy seems to revolve around Burham, everything that happens she has a hand in it. And once again, all in the space of 29 episodes, let alone 100-200 like other series, from the ship's science officer.
She isn't just the science officer-she is the protagonist. It's no better, and no worse, than past Treks.
In my defense, I was genuinely trying to bring as much of the show discussion as was available over to its new home. I only skipped a couple of threads that were about a combination of LD and the Nickelodeon show.
TOS still rules, ergo, no story telling hasn't come a fair way. Actually it probably hasn't come a fair way since Homer. Oh shit. that Odysseus was always saving the day.
Star Trek has always embraced the conceit that the lead character of the series would have an unrealistically profound impact on the course of events in interstellar history. I mean, somehow the same dude who discovered how to make Federation starships reliable travel through time, also was present at the Klingon occupation of Organia that led to the imposed peace treaty, also happened to uncover a Klingon Intelligence operative who had infiltrated the highest levels of the Federation government while simultaneously discovering that agent had poisoned a vital grain shipment, and also was the first captain to make contact with and defeat the Romulans in combat in over a century, and stole the Romulan cloaking device, and made first contact with a semi-major interstellar state in the Gorn Hegemony, and was vital to the admission of Coridan to the Federation while uncovering an Orion spy within the Andorian delegation to the Babel Conference, and saved Earth from V'Ger, and prevented the Genesis Device from falling into both the hands of a terrorist and the hands of the Klingon Empire, and saved Earth (again!) from a probe, and saved the Federation President from assassination while ensuring that a peace treaty that would change the face of local space was signed, and he found God at the center of the galaxy? Somehow the same dude who made first contact with the Q also made first contact with the Ferengi and also made first contact with the Borg, and was so impressive to the Q that he became the Federation's main point of contact with the Q, and was so impressive the Borg decided to target him specifically for assimilation into their speaker, and he uncovered a major alien parasite infiltration of the Federation, and he was so impressive that the Chancellor of the Klingon Empire appointed him to install the next Chancellor, and he came up with the plan that proved the Romulans were supplying the House of Duras during the Klingon Civil War, and he teamed up with Spock to stop a Romulan invasion of Vulcan, and he was so impressive that he was able to lend Sarek his mental discipline to get through a negotiation session, and he saved Earth from aliens meddling in its past (twice), one of whom were the Borg (again!), and he was the only guy who was able to tell the fleet where to fire on the Borg cube to destroy it in Earth orbit, and he stopped the Federation from violating the Prime Directive, and he teamed up with Kirk, and he was so impressive that he was targeted for cloning and replacement by the Romulans, and his clone grew up to become obsessed with him? Somehow the dude appointed to command what everyone thought would be a backwater starbase in orbit of a shithole planet was the guy who discovered the only stable wormhole in the galaxy, and the first linear entity to make contact with the Wormhole Aliens, and he became the Bajoran equivalent of the Messiah, and he made first contact with the Dominion, and he saved the Detapa Council from the Klingon invasion, and he led the war against the Klingons, and he personally tricked the Romulans into entering the war, and he defeated two different reactionary nationalist movements on Bajor, and he personally got exposed Dominion infiltration of the highest levels of the Klingon government, and he personally got the Chancellor of the Klingon Empire -- the one installed by the other unrealistically accomplished dude -- to re-sign onto the Khitomer Accords (the peace treaty that was saved by that first unrealistically accomplished dude), and he personally defeated a military coup against the Federation President, and he led the Federation and its allies to victory against the Dominion, and he defeated the Bajoran equivalent of Satan and was ascended into the Bajoran equivalent of Heaven like the Prophet Muhammed in Islam or Jesus after the Resurrection? Archer basically founded the Federation single-handedly. Janeway basically defeated the entire Borg by herself (with some help from herself). I could go on. I mean, seriously, the idea that the series lead would have a major impact on interstellar history is just a standard conceit of the Star Trek franchise. And by the standards of the prior series leads, Burnham's accomplishments are still pretty tame -- all she's really done so far is end a war she accidentally started and kept a ship out of reach of a malevolent A.I. I look forward to her re-founding the Federation, defeating all the Borg everywhere by herself (possibly with help from herself), personally installing a foreign leader, making first contact with the most important interstellar powers in the galaxy, saving the Federation government from foreign infiltration and assassination, safeguarding peace conferences that change the shape of the galaxy, finding Space God, defeating Space Satan, and then ascending into Space Heaven.
After 7 seasons and nearly 200 episodes, the captains of important ships get up to stuff, yes. If that's what you mean by different, I agree. Not to mention the fact that in those series, other crew members contribute every now and then. Discovery may as well be the Michael Burnham show.
I know when I watch Discovery only Burnham has good ideas and speeches. Picard would never give a speech!