Lt. Mary Sue on Lower Decks series

Discussion in 'Future of Trek' started by urbandk, Apr 24, 2019.

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You know it's a good idea!

  1. Make it so!

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  2. The line must be drawn here!

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  1. urbandk

    urbandk Commodore Commodore

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    Her time has finally come.
     
  2. King Daniel Beyond

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    No, Michael Burnham should stick to Discovery ;)
     
  3. Kzinti

    Kzinti Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  4. Disco!Disco!

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    Boooooooooooo!
     
  5. urbandk

    urbandk Commodore Commodore

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    Womp womp :-)
     
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  6. SolarisOne

    SolarisOne Captain Captain

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    Great bait, mate.
     
  7. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I presume THIS is who the OP is talking about? It'd work as a gag for one episode.
     
  8. Disco!Disco!

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    Didn't Kelvin!Kirk acknowledge his Stu-ness in that comic?
     
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  9. seigezunt

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    The Mary Sue is an invective that needs to be retired, since about 85 percent of the time I see it used, it seems to refer to the writer not liking the fact that a woman is the lead character.
     
  10. Soong-type Android

    Soong-type Android Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    It's basically a badly written character - male or female - that's too perfect, inexplicably good at everything, has no flaws, makes no mistakes, is never seen to struggle, is the focus of all plots and is loved by everyone. While this is a real literary trope, I agree calling it a "Mary Sue" has sexist connotations and seems to target women, allowing trolls to attack any female protagonist with that label.
     
  11. Disco!Disco!

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    I think after the recent GoT brouhaha, more see the epithet for the sexist bullshit it is.
     
  12. Cutie McWhiskers

    Cutie McWhiskers Commodore Commodore

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    Why not? If the show is about, and I quote,

    Like TOS and TNG never ushered in young viewers yet told messages better? Oops, I digressed, but the article lumping it into the same paragraph as the remainder below sorta makes it easy to do...

    That'll be interesting, the moment there's a hiccup in Engineering but they have no experience (or maturity, which is rather implied)... but that's cynicism to be expected and a do-all magical Mary/Marty trope would fit in perfectly. Just like Wesley in season one TNG? :shrug:

    Or maybe this will be the first Trek show in how many decades to genuinely inspire instead telling stories that were answering questions that were never being asked and/or barrel-scraping pandering?

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/star-trek-animated-series-featuring-153029736.html

    And go figure, they're using a cel from the wrong animated show as... clickbate?
     
  13. Cutie McWhiskers

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    ^^ correction: TOS, TNG, et al, didn't need to be loaded with kids to appeal to kids. Kids always liked it because of the pew pew battles and robots and things. Then again, the inverse reason is also why adults don't care to watch Barney the Oddly Shaped Dinosaur.
     
  14. Tim Thomason

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    This is the yet-to-be-subtitled Nickelodeon CGI show for kids, notthe adult-oriented traditional cartoon Lower Decks for All-Access. Lower Decks will be more humor-focused, while I feel the Nickelodeon show (from what little we know) will be more serious and focus on the trials and tribulations of the renegade crew.

    An intentional "Mary Sue" would fit best in a show like Lower Decks that doesn't seem to intend to take itself seriously at all. Heck, they could promote someone as a Mary Sue only to see her fail miserably at every task or kick the bucket in Episode 1 due to mishaps from the Lower Deck cast (a la The Rock's cameo in the Reno 911 movie).
     
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  15. Kor

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    Lest we forget the origins of the "Mary Sue" business back in 1970s Trek fandom: https://fanlore.org/wiki/A_Trekkie's_Tale

    But perhaps it is time to put it to rest. The term has come to be way overused in recent years, and used completely incorrectly at that! :thumbdown:

    Kor
     
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  16. NeoStar9

    NeoStar9 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    The only somewhat positive of that term being used now is it easily identifies the person using it for what and who they really are. It's a huge red flag being waved when someone ones uses it to attack a female character or try to use it as a descriptor (which is always wrong). It makes it easier to determine who to ignore and who to look at more closely to see what other suspect and vile things they might be trying to say and push and what other coded words they might be trying to use.
     
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  17. urbandk

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    I am a Mary Sue stan and have nothing but admiration and respect for the youngest lieutenant in Starfleet.