She's actually talking to a guy, though, isn't she? Women that tall usually have broader hips. So he's actually the one in the miniskirt, hers is just... badly designed?
1960's and risqué clothes?
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Well, the G rating had a somewhat different meaning in the '60s and '70s, as in actual "general," broad audiences, and not just for movies specifically aimed at little kids like the rating came to mean later on. For instance, The Andromeda Strain has a disturbing extended scene of a monkey in its death throes after being exposed to pathogen-contaminated air, a dead person's wrist being slashed open and powdered blood flowing out, and a lingering shot of a dead young woman sitting there with chest fully exposed, as well as several people in the nude viewed from behind. That was rated G ...and it still is, since the MPAA never re-rated it to suit contemporary sensibilities and the changing meaning of the rating.
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Which one are we talking about, the pale skinned one or the dark skinned one?
The pale skinned one is clearly a woman with long blond hair (and yes it seems like her nipples are somewhat visible through her dress, but I'm pretty sure some of the dresses in TOS, and definitely some of Troi's clothes in TNG, also had semi-visible nipples like that) , but yeah the dark skinned one is a guy with beard shadow.
She's actually talking to a guy, though, isn't she? Women that tall usually have broader hips. So he's actually the one in the miniskirt, hers is just... badly designed?
What's your point? We weren't talking specifically about miniskirts or about women. Therin mentioned scantily clad men and women in the Starfleet HQ scene.
Maybe we should discuss whether Kirk's uniform is green in those screencaps and what that means instead 
There were numerous accusations about Gene's supposed preference for minimum costuming whenever magazines published stills of those flimsy outfits. In the context of the actual movie, they are barely seen.
Maybe we should discuss whether Kirk's uniform is green in those screencaps and what that means instead
The official colour is "loden green" (see "The Making of TMP").
I was just trying to insert a little levity...and maybe suggest that green for command did carry over into TMP in some way. That would mean similar uniforms from 2250's to 2287, or 2230's to 2278 if you count the Kelvin.
Care to expound upon what is meant by "accusations"?
The unfortunate sexism in TMP was that you could see the men's junk right through their footed pajama uniforms. I know the genre was science fiction, but they could have used a little mystery as well.
You're kidding, right? It's obvious AF as only one of them has a beard shadow.
Did GR or whoever design those costumes with the intent to titillate and exploit or was it a nod to the fashion at the time or future fashion in movies like Logan's Run?The unfortunate sexism in TMP was that you could see the men's junk right through their footed pajama uniforms. I know the genre was science fiction, but they could have used a little mystery as well.
In my opinion it was the designer's inability to meet (probably) Gene Roddenberry's unwise demands and do it well. Shoes built into the trousers was just a bad idea: impractical on set, expensive, and in no way improving on the science fiction. Along with not being able to wear underwear because the lines would show, the men also suffered extremely sharp pain in the groin when they sat down. Walter Koenig wrote about it in Ckekov's Enterprise (1980).
People differ on this, but I don't think the classic cast movies had a very good costume designer. And somebody should have pushed back against the "futuristic" idea of built-in shoes.
I don't think it was either, really. Remember, this was just a decade after the Sexual Revolution, when old prudish societal norms gave way to sexual openness and free love. It was also a time when conventional 20th-century nudity taboos were eroding and it was becoming socially acceptable to show greater amounts of skin. (Just yesterday I watched a 1974 episode of the Saturday morning kids' show Shazam! featuring a beach scene with young women in bikinis that would've never gotten past the censors on a prime time show just 10 years earlier.) It's typical for creators of SF to assume that the trends of their era will continue further in the future, so a lot of '70s SF creators assumed that future society would be even more comfortable with nudity and sexuality than 1970s society was.
It's certainly true that this aligned with the appetites of a lot of dirty old men who wrote and produced fiction, so it was a vision of the future they were happy to encourage, but there was more to it than that. It wasn't only titillation, it was a widespread perception of how current societal trends destigmatizing sexuality would probably continue. Some works, like TMP, presented this as a positive; as seen in the earlier drafts of the film script, the generally uninhibited, semi-nudist, sex-positive San Francisco culture of the 23rd century was just part of the film's utopian vision of Earth society. But others presented it as a negative; Logan's Run portrayed its characters' hedonism as part of the dystopia they lived in, a shallow and depraved society that embraced superficial indulgence and sexual license at the expense of conventional morality, and that celebrated the beauty of youth over the wisdom of maturity. They respectively represented liberal and conservative views on whether the Sexual Revolution was a good thing or not.
The uniforms certainly reflected the fashion of the day. I mean, you're talking about the earth tones, the over-wide lapels, McCoy's lounge lizard medallion, the too-tight pants, and the Urban Cowboy buckles which come together somehow tol give off a 70s leisure suite vibe.
As for the risque part, purportedly, women had burned their bras so there was a lot of bra-less-ness in the 70s. And more egregious examples of cloth-covered plumbing was being offered up by the likes of Tiger Beat magazine at the time. (And, as a teenager of the 1970s, it seemed like that every girlfriend i had during those teenage years had at least one such example hanging from her bedroom wall.
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The guys had Farah Fawcett's famous red swimsuit poster.The uniforms certainly reflected the fashion of the day. I mean, you're talking about the earth tones, the over-wide lapels, McCoy's lounge lizard medallion, the too-tight pants, and the Urban Cowboy buckles which come together somehow tol give off a 70s leisure suite vibe.
As for the risque part, purportedly, women had burned their bras so there was a lot of bra-less-ness in the 70s. And more egregious examples of cloth-covered plumbing was being offered up by the likes of Tiger Beat magazine at the time. (And, as a teenager of the 1970s, it seemed like that every girlfriend i had during those teenage years had at least one such example hanging from her bedroom wall.
If not her, then Cheryl Tiegs or some other subject of that particular winter issue of Sports Illustrated.
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In the UK we had pop groups on the wall or the like I think as it's a long time since I was a teenager! 
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So, the same as in America then.In the UK we had pop groups on the wall or the like I think as it's a long time since I was a teenager!
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I find it hard to believe that UK teens didn't have pictures and posters of non pop group celebs gracing their walls. Some surely had centerfold girls.
They call them Page 3 girls over there.
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