This forum loves putting words in people's mouths. I don't think anyone is lying. And there's no paranoia. Just hysterical amusement at the notion that Stamets and Culber are "the best relationship Trek has ever done".
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This forum loves putting words in people's mouths. I don't think anyone is lying. And there's no paranoia. Just hysterical amusement at the notion that Stamets and Culber are "the best relationship Trek has ever done".
People are allowed to view things differently. Star Trek has a name for it.
Because it's impossible that people other than you have different opinions. It's like they're separate people and just think differently because what you think isn't objective fact or correct. That what you think holds no more value than what they think and pretending that it does is the height of narcissism. But that can't be true.
I think it is hysterically amusing that you think a significant portion of Trek Fandom wouldn't think that. There have been maybe a dozen Trek relationships. Not everyone thinks Data and Spot are the best.
Pot, meet kettle.
You quoted someone who said:
And as others have said, Stamets/Culber is one of the best romantic relationships, if not the best, that we've seen between two regular characters on Star Trek, thus far
and represented that as
"Stamets and Culber is the best romantic relationship in all of Star Trek."
Not only did you change "one of the best" with qualification to "the best" unqualified, but also you changed "between two regular characters on Star Trek" to "in all of Star Trek."
If that's not putting words in someone's mouth, then what is?
Just applying technicalities.
It's creating a strawman argument, you create an argument just to tear it down. It's what someone who doesn't have an actual argument does.
In the future I'll be more sure to dot my i's, dot my lower-case j's, and cross my t's.
I wasn't being critical of anything you posted.
Just saw. I'll send you a PM to explain.
No worries!
Okay, we got that cleared up.
So, this new season will be interesting. The plot is a real departure from.... oh wait, this is basically ST:Voyager but with time travel.
Sort of. In VOY, they were trying to get home. In DSC S3, they can't ever go home. Because of
It's so confusing sometimes that you have to switch them on just to make sense of the conversation XD
How is the mere existence of LGBTQ people "political". They exist, they always have existed, always will exist. There is nothing political about the existence of a group, it's just part of being a human. Since Star Trek is about the human condition, that should be included.
Now wanting to create laws that hurt LGBTQ people is political and the fact that it still has a place in society just shows how far we have to go as a species and that has no place in Star Trek because bigotry like that is something that humans have grown out of.
23 weeks of TREK!!
The Culber/Starnets relationship is Trek's first honest depiction of a gay union, which makes it extra special.
That aside, I'd put their relationship right up there with Dax/Worf, Kira/Odo even now because of the territory they've covered.
The Culber/Starnets relationship is Trek's first honest depiction of a gay union, which makes it extra special.
That aside, I'd put their relationship right up there with Dax/Worf, Kira/Odo even now because of the territory they've covered.
Oh please - the whole idea that EVERY Star Trek episode made some sort of forward thinking political statement was made up mostly by GR - it's a myth. Yes, Star Trek (TOS) did OCCASIONALLY confront a topical political issue head on (and sometimes with a 'Sledge Hammer' approach that even back then I thought was a bit much); but it was maybe 3 or 4 episodes out of a 26 episode season.
Most of the time it was pretty much straight action/adventure with the occasional 'high concept' (for the era) science fiction situation <-- those occured with about the same frequency as the 'political commentary' episodes. Personally, I'm a little sick of how since the TNG era the writers all try to play the political aspect up (even when they too did do constant political commentary, with perhaps the exception of DS9).
IMO - Star Trek is BEST when it sticks to it;s premise that hey, this is a science fiction show about human (and aliens) in space - having ADVENTURES. I don't mind the occasional political commentary; but no (contrary to what GR would push AFTER the original series went off the air) - Star trek wasn't a show with constant 'political' episodes on the current issues of the day. It had such episodes occasionally - and IMO (and I LOVE TOS and think it's still the BEST and most original 'Star Trek' series) a number of those episodes were lacking in many ways where 'the message' was the thing for the episode; and the actual story/plot/characterization was secondary.
We've had 5 Star Trek series that glorified the straight, white male and their relationships with women and the final two Star Trek series under Berman used one of their female main characters as an object of desire (Seven of Nine, T'Pol). I'm glad we're beyond that now and finally get some representation that has been sorely lacking for the last 50 years.
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