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Season 3 Finally Lands October 15
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Make sure you use the right soap for this one. Don't want any DSC cooties left on youSee what you've made me do?! Made me go and defend Discovery. Now I feel icky.
ETA: @BillJ Maybe some decon gel will work!
See, that's the joke I should have led with.
See what you've made me do?! Made me go and defend Discovery. Now I feel icky.
You are of the body.
TNG and DS9 still had a lot. It's hard to look at an episode like The Drumhead or Far Beyond the Stars and not see it as intensely political. Voyager mostly played it incredibly safe though, and the only real allusions to politics in Enterprise were the really awful 9/11 "hard men making hard choices" themes.
Sorry? 1. No I haven't. 2. A poster said that Lower Decks "doesn't seem to have gay characters", I wasn't the one who referred to that series, all I talked about was the emptiness of that comment.
Because they're people?
What?
Lord Garth was suggesting that a gay character HAD to be seen to be in a relationship. I asked why that was? Why is it a requirement that a gay character is in a relationship?
Never ever said or even suggested there was an issue with them being a couple from day 1. Amazing how much is point-missing goes on these boards.
Another point missed. I'm gay myself. I don't care about them including gay characters
Can't wait for the third season and I can't wait to see how they'll make "Calypso" tie in.
Who else is with me?
Who else is with me?
And yet, you're always harping about it. Yes, I know your rationalizations, it's "disproportionate" or some such nonsense. The rest of us legitimately don't care, which is why we're hardly ever commenting on it. You however are constantly shining a spotlight on something you claim you don't care about.
I'm not saying its not there, but that later Berman era shied away. And I think that has carry forward now. Though, I personally think ST 09 had excellent commentary but the pacing of the film drowned that out.
Discovery does well enough but could definitely do more. Hoping Season 3 has that cautionary tale done well.
The main cast of DSC consists of between 7 to 8 individuals as follows:
Sonequa Martin-Green
Doug Jones
Anthony Rapp
Mary Wiseman
Shazad Latif
Jason Issacs (Season 1)
Michelle Yeoh
Wilson Cruz (Season 2)
Anson Mount (Season 2)
Of those main cast members, exactly 3 of them play LGBT characters: Rapp (Stamets), Cruz (Culber), and Yeoh (Mirror Georgeou)
When you add in secondary characters, you get four LGBT characters with Tig Notoro's Jet Reno.
Sonequa Martin-Green
Doug Jones
Anthony Rapp
Mary Wiseman
Shazad Latif
Jason Issacs (Season 1)
Michelle Yeoh
Wilson Cruz (Season 2)
Anson Mount (Season 2)
Of those main cast members, exactly 3 of them play LGBT characters: Rapp (Stamets), Cruz (Culber), and Yeoh (Mirror Georgeou)
When you add in secondary characters, you get four LGBT characters with Tig Notoro's Jet Reno.
No thank you. Calypso was wonderful, but tying it into an existing story would be like if Picard attempted to have an entire season which was a sequel to The Inner Light. Part of the beauty of it was it being a simple standalone story within the Trekverse. Bending lore to make it work would cheapen the story, and possibly result in a convoluted arc which didn't make much sense.
I think they intended them to be tied together the whole time. At least that has been my assumption.
I never thought otherwise.
Well, I don't speak for him, but I think you're taking it too literally.
Over the course of Star Trek, how many regular characters have, at one time or another, been shown to be in a relationship?
Off the top of my head, I'm thinking...almost all.
Why would it be any different for a character who happens to be gay? And would avoiding that seem a little cowardly?
People have relationships. It's pretty basic.
As far as I'm concerned, given Star Trek's track record prior to 2017, just saying a character was gay wasn't good enough. Talk is cheap. It's easy to say a character is gay and then just forget about it. In "Into the Forest I Go", they actually show Stamets and Culber kiss. That's when I knew it wasn't just talk, they were serious.
And as others have said, Stamets/Culber is one of the best romantic relationships, if not the best, that we've seen between two regular characters on Star Trek, thus far. They've had their ups and downs, they've had their ordeals, and they've shown the lengths they're willing to go to for each other. Particularly in "Saints of Imperfection" and "Such Sweet Sorrow".
I wouldn't want that sacrificed because of some bullshit about "but it's not proportionate!" Give me a break.
And as others have said, Stamets/Culber is one of the best romantic relationships, if not the best, that we've seen between two regular characters on Star Trek, thus far. They've had their ups and downs, they've had their ordeals, and they've shown the lengths they're willing to go to for each other. Particularly in "Saints of Imperfection" and "Such Sweet Sorrow".
I wouldn't want that sacrificed because of some bullshit about "but it's not proportionate!" Give me a break.
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Honestly, as far this goes, I think Trek needs to take references from shows like "Brooklyn 99."
And yet the whole "we must go to the future" in the end of season 2 was entirely because of Calypso establishing the ship somehow ends up in the future.
Shhhh.... don't tell You Know Who that!Maybe the future is just gayer?
Maybe the future is just gayer?
Likely it should be, if humanity has truly grown up.
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