Season 3 Finally Lands October 15
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No. Picard had the same showrunner all season. So you can blame Michael Chabon completely for that if you feel so inclined.
I'm still not sure it means all 13 drop over 13 consecutive Thursdays. Announcements for network TV use similar language and we all know there will be reruns some weeks, especially over the holiday. I won't complain either way because I optimistically expect to have a typical holiday this year.
Chabon is fine. Its Kurtzman who is evil...*horses neigh at the sound of his name*
We also had 6 weeks of short treks, so that's actually 39 weeks
A few things:
1) Berg and Harberts lost their jobs because they couldn't stay on-budget and were treating DSC crew and staff like garbage, not because of issues with the season's narrative
2) The overall narrative quality of DSC Season 2 is completely subjective and cannot be quantified the way some posters are trying to
3) Michelle Paradise is co-showrunner on Season 3 alongside Kurtzman
1) Berg and Harberts lost their jobs because they couldn't stay on-budget and were treating DSC crew and staff like garbage, not because of issues with the season's narrative
2) The overall narrative quality of DSC Season 2 is completely subjective and cannot be quantified the way some posters are trying to
3) Michelle Paradise is co-showrunner on Season 3 alongside Kurtzman
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That date's reserved for the Discovery Christmas Special. Michael doesn't believe in the logic of Christmas, but a jolly old Bolian will work to change her mind.
I don't disagree with you. They lost their jobs due to bad behavior.
But, bad behavior or not, if they continue to use ideas that came from Berg and Harberts, they'd have to be given story credit, which means paying them. I think Kurtzman didn't want to bother with that. He just wanted them gone and completely out of his hair.
Even if someone's an asshole, you still have to pay them if you use their ideas. Otherwise, you're looking at a potential lawsuit.
@Lord Garth As far as I know, Berg and Harberts were credited on Season 2 for the episodes on which they worked, and the overall general story outline for the season remained the same as when they were in charge.
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I'm very excited about this.
Indeed. That's why we got Tom Paris instead of Nicholas Locarno in Voyager.
I didn't say they weren't credited for the episodes they worked on. They were credited for everything they worked on until they were fired. I'm saying Alex Kurtzman didn't want to credit them for anything in episodes that were in production after they were fired.
With a writer's room, it's a gray area when they're brainstorming. So it's not as easy to keep track of who came up with what before each writer was assigned a specific script. With constant back-and-forth, everyone came up with something.
So you can have a general outline, but anything specific where Berg or Harberts can say "No! I definitely came up with that!" and can prove it would have to be scrapped. So you can have the Red Angel (which becomes canon and CBS property as soon as it's in an episode). But what they do with it at the end of the season is a different story. Or if Alex Kurtzman says "I don't like this idea", he'll come up with his own way of telling that story.
Originally we weren't going to see Adult Spock. How much of the second half of the season changes without Spock being there? How much stays the same? Again, this starts moving into a gray area...
... but one place I want to move to is from Season 2 to Season 3.
Go Season 3!
There are some rumors that they hit a legal snafu with their use of Bruce Maddox, and that Chabon had to completely rewrite the story arc after the first couple episodes were produced which resulted in Maddox's quick death and the eventual introduction of Alton Soong. Chabon, a first-time showrunner, may have been frustrated by the studio system and that may have contributed to hasty story edits in the back half and his eventual decision to leave Picard (as showrunner) after Season 1./spoiler]
I hope in a few years there is an unauthorized tell all book of Berg and Harbert's crimes against humanity on the Disco set. Just based on the After Trek shows, I imagine they would be shallow, petty, and fairly entertaining in retrospect.
IIRC the last episode that Berg/Harberts were involved in was The Sound of Thunder. Once they were fired they took what was referred to as a "planned break" of a few weeks. It's likely they engaged in selective reshoots at that time - inserting adult Spock and adding some breadcrumbs to reference Control. Its notable that after they left all of the "science vs. faith" and woo psuedo-spirituality basically vanished from the series. I think the season had a few good episodes after that (If Memory Serves and Project Daedelus) but after that it felt like the remainder of the series was more interested in "fixing" the arc and canon rather than telling good stories.
Picard is another matter, because - at least IMHO - most of the strongest episodes were in the middle of the season. Episode 6 was easily the best thing that Kurtzman Trek has done yet, and 7/8 were both enjoyable as long as you ignored the schlock happening on The Artifact. The problem is the ending two-parter was pretty weak, though at least it made a bit more logical sense than the final episodes of both Discovery seasons.
There was a pretty definite shift in the writing once the credits changed from B&H. They may have been awful, but I do kind of wish we could have seen their season two. The first episodes were very promising.
Ethan Peck was cast during the pre-production process while Berg and Harberts were still in charge.
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