Strange thing about the hull

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I’m sick to death of hearing about The Orville on these forums
It’s not Trek. Never was. Never will be.
Discovery and Picard are miles superior to anything that fan wank series puts out

Except it is.. and that surprised me the most. Who the hell cares who OWNS the IP.. on that level it's all about money and the suits. The same people who diss me for watching the Orville because it has the same formula as Star trek are the same people who actually paid real money to see the Lion King remake. Or the same people that go gaga whenever there is another show or movie with a guy with a logo on his chest, or an out fit that forms around him or her with CGI and they have to save people and have more angst. . The first episode was boilerplate trek adventure stuff that leaned heavily on comedy in order to still be a parody. Since then he has created characters that I like to spend time with talking about things I like. Mercer visits Bortus in his quarters to play a game and says "there is so much about your culture that I don't know about: I want to learn." No SFX, no crazy cameras or gimmicky dialogue.. that one line is more Star Trek than all of discovery. I don't care who owns the rights to the name. If my uncle created the hamburger fifty years ago and had the rights to the name hamburger but started making it out of something else, but you made an actual hamburger but couldn't call it a hamburger.. I wouldn't care.. yours would BE a hamburger

 

[The Wormhole]

'Kay, we get it. You like The Orville. I do too, but this isn't the forum for that.

 

[Dukhat]

A lot of the ship's design doesn't make much sense. Why is this any different?

 

[Tuskin38]

Great, now FSM has migrated to here. I thought we left them behind in the Star Wars forum.

A lot of the ship's design doesn't make much sense. Why is this any different?

What Star Trek designs have made sense though?

 

[Dukhat]

What Star Trek designs have made sense though?

I suppose that depends on your definition of 'sense' as it pertains to starship design.

 

[BillJ]

Anyone have any idea what this strange indent is for on the hull?

All the weird shit going on with the Cerritos, and that is what you picked up on?

Also.. Orville is fine.. so while I might tune in.. it is clear that Seth "gets" Trek while CBS has somehow lost it.

I love The Orville, but this really isn't the place for it. I'm hoping Lower Decks is better than what CBS has given us to date. All we can do is wait and see.

What Star Trek designs have made sense though?

Whether or not it makes sense in the here-and-now, Jefferies actually thought out how the Enterprise would generally work in TOS. With warp nacelles out away from the ship to keep those energies away from the crew, everything being accessible from inside the ship so as not to expose the crew to dangerous repairs except in the case of catastrophic damage and the sauce as a lifeboat where the crew could escape.

Honestly, they haven't outthought Matt in the 50+ years since the original. They just keep riffing (in many cases poorly) on what he has already done.

 

[Timo]

Well, Jeffries was an idiot, then. The engines aren't "away" from the crew - insanely thin and long pylons are used to bring them as close to the crew as possible.

Nothing done for Star Trek makes real practical sense because it does not deal with either "real" or "practical". We have no way to tell how a starship ought to look like or work, so all the related rules are make-believe.

And Jeffries had fun inventing make-believe for TOS; Probert and pals for TMP/TNG; and Sternbach and Okuda for a lot of what followed. Drexler and Eaves "invented"/"established" a lot about fictional technology, too, when rationalizing why their ships look like they do (these looks often not being something they themselves would have been at liberty to do to their own liking). But the bulk of it still falls on us the audience, and LDS is likely to be great fun in that respect: it's not shirking away from showing fictional tech in detail, but it sure ain't gonna spend time pre-explaining it away for us.

As for "riffing on Jeffries", that's what Star Trek is about. The show has Kirk, Spock, Klingons and the Enterprise in some recognizable form or another. If it had something else, it would be, dunno, Stargate or Babylon 5 or The Orville.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Michael]

Great, now FSM has migrated to here. I thought we left them behind in the Star Wars forum.

Post not poster, @Tuskin38. You don't get to decide who's allowed to post here and who isn't. Concentrate on what is said not who's saying it.

 

[Michael]

As for the question posed in the original post: I don't think the area you are pointing out is supposed to have any specific function. It's just a design choice by the Starfleet engineers who drew up the Cerritos. There's no rule that every design element on a ship's exterior (or interior) has to follow a specific technical function. Just like planes, ships or other vehicles build today there will always be aspects that are there purely for aesthetic reasons. Or maybe the architects just wanted to create more opportunities to include windows, who knows?

A lot of the ship's design doesn't make much sense. Why is this any different?

It really isn't. It makes as much (or little) sense as every other ship ever designed for a Star Trek show. Well, maybe except for the Oberth, that one really doen't make sense.

 

[XCV330]

I’m sick to death of hearing about The Orville on these forums
It’s not Trek. Never was. Never will be.
Discovery and Picard are miles superior to anything that fan wank series puts out

It's in the toolkit of every professional Discohater. It's about as effective as mentioning how much you like Thunderbird when someone brings up the riesling they brought home. Yes they are in a broad definition the same thing. And no, they aren't. But you don't like riesling so something must be said. It worked so well it is safe to leave in there along with

1: I sure hope this black female character isn't like Michael Burnham.

2: Oh Gene, Oh Gene! Bridge windows!

3: The uniforms are not the uniforms that I had in my head while wanking last night.

4: Orville this and that.

5: The greeble is out of place.

5b: Variant: Only I know what the greebles do.

6: People several hundred years from now wouldn't have holograms. That is so silly. They'd use backlit unlabelled plastic buttons and mechanical sliders.

7: This show is too funny.

8: This show isn't funny.

9: This show is too risque.

10: Put the women back in their miniskirts.

11: What black female character from Star Trek is this black female character related to (Rarely used but it's been used and my money is on someone finding it at the bottom of the tool box and using it at least once more)

12: We need more aliens.

13: Cast is too diverse.

14: They didn't have ___________ on ______________ when I watched it and it takes place in the same ________.

15: I have no sense or humor, wonder, or anything but a cynical tribal clinging to the idea of a show I haven't enjoyed in years and I really should just hit my head repeatedly against a cinderblock wall until I lose consciousness as I would get as much entertainment from it and would not bother those around me as much.

 

[fireproof78]

Honestly, they haven't outthought Matt in the 50+ years since the original. They just keep riffing (in many cases poorly) on what he has already done.

Fear of change.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I’m sick to death of hearing about The Orville on these forums
It’s not Trek. Never was. Never will be.
Discovery and Picard are miles superior to anything that fan wank series puts out

I noticed the indent as well. It's a little strange, but then so is the name & registry number being at the back of the saucer.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Fear of change.

Remember: Star Trek ship

 

[BillJ]

Discovery and Picard are miles superior to anything that fan wank series puts out

In case you haven’t noticed, the CBS shows are every bit as much fan wank.

 

[Nerys Myk]

In case you haven’t noticed, the CBS shows are every bit as much fan wank.

They need to wank harder then. The fanboys aren't feeling it.

 

[fireproof78]

In case you haven’t noticed, the CBS shows are every bit as much fan wank.

More interesting.

 

[BillJ]

More interesting.

Not from where I’m sitting.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Not from where I’m sitting.

Try a different chair.

 

[fireproof78]

Not from where I’m sitting.

I'll get you a new chair.

 

[NCC-73515]

Remember: Star Trek ship

SO DA MIRANDA IS NO STAHSHIP!!