The Monster Maroons
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I mean honestly I feel like something like Daniel's uniform should be the norm or the underlying norm, something that looks like it's full of tubing and env systems to help you stay alive in any environment if you just add a helmet or gloves to it. Yes it's something expensive or impractical 'now' but the whole thing is that ST is the future, they figured it out, probably make every uniform individually via computers and what not.
It's FASA trek, they're just the USM in space with all the inter-service BS and drama, makes enough sense to me - it's endearing and something that requires little disbelief in a way. Security Department higher ups press it on a slow day and it becomes this big scandal in starfleet and they just switch the colors. Everyone else doesn't give a damn because it's a real non issue and uniforms change every ten or so years, and 'red' is sort of a rare color overall before the 2250s? Gold, Silver, Copper; Blue for DIS, Gold, Gray for the Kelvin. Seems like it was a one-shot deal overall and Security wore that weird silver/gold lining from 2280ish to 2360ish then gold.
As well - Why did the Monster Maroons last so long? There seems to have been three main variants: the overly formal from 2278ish to 2230ish, then a cutting down from 2330 to 2340ish, and the final version from 2340 to 2350ish.
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Probably the same reason as it happens in real life. ...I could be wrong, but aren't modern British officer uniforms pretty much the same as ones from WWI? The sailor suits they wear in the Navy seem to have lasted a long time too, but I'm not sure how long.
Looking at the casualties listed on Memory Alpha and disregarding the dead who came back (Scotty, Bones, Leslie, Galloway) the totals I get are:
- 2 unidentified (Barnhart, O'Neill)
- 6 Greenshirts
- 6 Blueshirts
- 23 Redshirts
Even though I understand recycling the costumes because they wanted to cut down on costs wherever they could, I always thought it was dumb in-universe. Especially compared to how often the uniforms changed from "The Cage" to TUC and then again from TNG onward.
Yeah, sorry, for the 1701-C crew.
Was trying to think of cost effective costumes, seems like the first season TNG uniforms would have been fine, that would have given those a period of around 20 years of use. Maybe switch the colors around so command was yellow, use a different communicator pin, or add a dickey collar similar to Spock's in TMP to make them a bit different.
They reused a lot of assets from the ‘80’s “V” series and miniseries; maybe they could have used leftover Visitor uniforms for the Ent-C crew:
http://www.costumecostumecostume.com/V2011.htm
Edit: I forgot that the maroons were also used for the Bozeman crew from 2278. So that's actually 86 years. Although I will point out that the footage of Starfleet Command from STIV that was used in TNG's "Conspiracy" really doesn't count, since it was just stock footage. So the last chronological time we saw the monster maroons was in Jack Crusher’s holographic message in 2348. So from the Bozeman to the hologram, it was 70 years (and that’s assuming both that 2278 was the first year Starfleet used those uniforms, and 2348 was the last year, which probably isn’t accurate.)
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Fan films, most notably the Potemkin series, have done this.
IIRC, it came from the cosplay community, in reference to the difficulty in recreating the TWOK uniforms.
As the great Nicholas Meyer's grand vision faces the tests of time, the rose colored glasses seem to get dimmer as the viewer starts seeing the harsh reality of his mindset in plain sight. I give a lot of credit to Roddenberry's and his camp's foresight for production design. What would a crew of people wear if they were journeying through outer space for a long period of time? Comfort would be the obvious objective.
I could quibble with the colour palette and even the cut of the TMP uniforms, but they always made more sense to me than what followed. One could also say that the TMP uniforms maybe tried a bit too hard to look authentically futuristic rather than something evolved from what we saw in TOS.
Styles come and go and evolve. No one can know what we’ll be wearing in twenty, fifty or so years time let alone 100-300 years. We can laugh at styles of the distant or even near past, but we can also laugh at some of what is worn today.
Styles come and go and evolve. No one can know what we’ll be wearing in twenty, fifty or so years time let alone 100-300 years. We can laugh at styles of the distant or even near past, but we can also laugh at some of what is worn today.
I might have to post this to another thread but I am generally curious what would be considered an evolution from the TOS uniforms?
