Is the Arrowverse slowly dying?

[JD]

This was the format for action shows for many years. Students aside, there were only two other characters on The Greatest American Hero.

Actually there were three, Pam was there with Ralph and Bill pretty much from the start.

I was thinking about Legends the other day. I think about what characters they had and what's left, and it's huge. The original cast blows the current cast out of the water.

I like Nate, Zari, Charlie, Constantine, and Ava a lot more than I ever liked Rip or the Hawks.

When they came up with Mona, was there a bet in the writers room that they couldn't come up with a character worse than Jar Jar Binks?

I like Mona.

When people started watching this show, how many were thinking about characters like Gary or Eva?

Just because people aren't watching the show for those characters, doesn't mean they shouldn't be on the show. I doubt many people started watching The Flash for Joe West, Caitlin Snow, or the Wells, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be on the show.

I like Ava a lot, Gary and Mona are terrible.
I just don't find them funny or intresting

I guess I have a very different sense of humor from you guys, because I find them very funny.

Bottom line is that the show, as first started, was basically a different team of actual superheroes, and now, it's Ava, Gary, Mona, and a few others without powers because they have no budget.

The version of the show I've been watching, still very much focuses on Sarah, Nate, Charlie, Mick, Zari, and now Ava. Gary and Mona are very much just supporting character. Hell Mona has only been in a couple episodes this season.

As much as I like Rory, and I really like Rory, it doesn't seem like they know what to do with him and he's just in the background occasionally and they rarely play up his dour personality. They've thrown in this kid plotline but it feels tacked on to me. He really seems a good candidate for rotation as much as it pains me to say. Constantine seems to have taken the focus as grumpy guy on the team.

Yeah, it does seem like Mick is just kind of there, with no real purpose.

 

[Jayson1]

I'm sorry you have such sexist thoughts. But her gender is irrelevant. She's not a superhero. She's not even a woman. She's just someone from the time bureau that's shacking up with the captain. If she wasn't romantically linked to Sarah, is she even on that ship? And when designing a superhero show, why would characters like Ava, Gary and Mona even be considered as draws?



Sad you feel this way, but that's not true at all. Plenty of women heroes spread throughout the Arrowverse. Most of them fit into the superhero category. Ava is not one of them.

Bottom line is that the show, as first started, was basically a different team of actual superheroes, and now, it's Ava, Gary, Mona, and a few others without powers because they have no budget.

Nick Fury also didn't have superpowers and while they might not be a superhero they are still heroes. Also the whole point I thought this season was about her learning to become a hero in the field as opposed to working in a office environment. Plus she is also a clone from the future. I think she has more than enough credentials to be a series regular on a sci fi show.


Jason

 

[Nerys Myk]

Nick Fury also didn't have superpowers and while they might not be a superhero they are still heroes. Also the whole point I thought this season was about her learning to become a hero in the fiend as opposed to working in a office environment. Plus she is also a clone from the future. I think she has more than enough credentials to be a series regular on a sci fi show.


Jason

Yeah, she's a kickass temporal secret agent from the future.

 

[CorporalClegg]

There's certainly one foot firmly planted in the coffin.

 

[thribs]

The Superman show will revitalise it. They’re bringing in the big guns now

 

[Samurai8472]

Between the Coronavirus cutting the shows' seasons short, the death of the kid who played young Barry in season 1, Ruby leaving, Hartley fired and Brandon Routh and his wife being let go yeah, this has been a bad year for the Arrowverse.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I was going to say imploding might be a better term.

 

[Jayson1]

Between the Coronavirus cutting the shows' seasons short, the death of the kid who played young Barry in season 1, Ruby leaving, Hartley fired and Brandon Routh and his wife being let go yeah, this has been a bad year for the Arrowverse.

I think Damon Gupton was forced out on "Black Lighting" also.

Jason

 

[The Realist]

^ Well, he was let go (“forced out” implies some kind of drama that I haven’t heard alleged). One of the few bad decisions Black Lightning has ever made, because Gupton and Henderson ruled.

 

[Jayson1]

I'm not sure if it was drama as in personality stuff but another issue of being fired because of money like with Routh. I think I heard that but it's been awhile now so not totally sure if it was true.


Jason