Jack's dad Joe snr was a bootlegger, and Shield is based in a speakeasy.
Jack was 14 in 1931.
Take your kid to work day?
Jack was 14 in 1931.
Take your kid to work day?
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Spoilers Agents of SHIELD- The Final Season Discussion
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Wait until budget reasons they end up having to say inside one of those secret bases for most of the season.
Jason
Is it weird that about half way through this episode I realised that both Steve Rogers and the Ancient One are just a few miles away?
Actually now that I think about it, you'd think all this time travel activity wouldn't go unnoticed by the person in charge of the time stone? I know they won't/can't address it butit's still fun to think about.
Actually now that I think about it, you'd think all this time travel activity wouldn't go unnoticed by the person in charge of the time stone? I know they won't/can't address it butit's still fun to think about.
That didn't even occur to me, maybe we could get a cameo from a young Steve Rogers sometime before they leave 1931. At that point he's probably be young enough to be played by somebody else, so getting Chris Evans to do it wouldn't be a problem.
Pretty much. And you wouldn't want Chris Evans anyway since either way this would be scrawny pre-serum Steve. I very much doubt they'll do it, but if it were up to me it'd be more along the lines of: Daisy see's some bullies beating the crap out of some skinny blonde kid an an alley. Sees them off and dusts off the kid who says "gee thanks lady!" to which she responds, "are you kidding? I could do that all day..." She then walks back to Coulson who just gives her "a look"...
They won me over right away with the logo. 
Not that I needed to be won over....
This was a great start to the season. I like that Enoch seems to be a permanent member of the team now, but it's not so great that Fitz is lost in time and space again. It's cool that YoYo got brand-new arms, but I'm going to kind of miss her cyborg look. And what's up with May? Has she gone feral or what? And then there's our newest team member-- The CoulsonBot. It's interesting that in between last season and this season we've had similar situations crop up on other shows, so there's a bit of a parallel there, except in this case they're definitely playing it as an android copy with no continuity of consciousness.
That made the profound meeting between Coulson and FDR kind of bittersweet-- it's too bad it couldn't be the real guy.
And the twist in the plot is that in order to save SHIELD, they must first save HYDRA-- I wonder if they'll make it even twistier and ponder the possibility that the Kodachromes revisionist history might be an improvement.
Not that I needed to be won over....This was a great start to the season. I like that Enoch seems to be a permanent member of the team now, but it's not so great that Fitz is lost in time and space again. It's cool that YoYo got brand-new arms, but I'm going to kind of miss her cyborg look. And what's up with May? Has she gone feral or what? And then there's our newest team member-- The CoulsonBot. It's interesting that in between last season and this season we've had similar situations crop up on other shows, so there's a bit of a parallel there, except in this case they're definitely playing it as an android copy with no continuity of consciousness.
That made the profound meeting between Coulson and FDR kind of bittersweet-- it's too bad it couldn't be the real guy.
And the twist in the plot is that in order to save SHIELD, they must first save HYDRA-- I wonder if they'll make it even twistier and ponder the possibility that the Kodachromes revisionist history might be an improvement.
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The rules are different?
The stone creates new timelines, so you can't change the present by changing the past.
Zeek and the rest are afraid of paradoxing themselves.
If the stone and their machine/doorways use different science with different rules, then they are non complementary and alien to one another.
The method of time travel is irrelevant. Whatever version of 1931 they're in it's one where SHIELD is destined to be born, ergo it's one that has a tesseract, ergo, a time stone, ergo an Ancient One. I'm just saying with all the temporally displaced persons milling about, it should have at least raised a red flag. I mean isn't protecting the space-time continuum like right in her wheel house?
I agree.
But she didn't know that the Hulk was coming to have a chat until he was on her roof, or she didn't care to act if she had fore knowledge. Consider Stephen capturing Loki from the curb. There is a system in place to identify outliers.
Also if Stephen was sliding, creating new timelines, instead stepping back one minute back in time, at the end of his movie when he scared Dormammu into believing that he was trapped in a timeloop. They were actually way off kilter and lost far always at the other end of the multiverse by the time the dark lord cried uncle, where after Stephen and Dormammu would have both had doppelgangers to deal with, since they were not home.
Well in that specific instance there was also a trans-galactic wormhole open and spewing Chitauri all over Midtown. Amidst all that space-time warping you can forgive her for not noticing a handful of time travellers.
That said, she wasn't exactly phased when he showed up and dealt with him almost effortlessly, so the argument as to whether she knew or not could easily go either way. I'd say that in the absence of surprise, the odds are in favour of her being aware to some degree.
Pretty sure using the time stone allows a certain degree of latitude vs. sidestepping through the quantum realm or a chunk of a time di'alla since it literally controls all time throughout the universe.
Also, Dormammu's "dark dimension" exists outside our universe and thus outside of our space-time. Indeed part of the whole point of that plot was that Dormammu's universe didn't *have* time until Strange brought some along with him.
You can't change the past.
That's the whole point of Endgame.
That's the whole point of Endgame.
Maybe she knows how it's all going to come out and that the matter is in good hands. No action required.
That seems unlikely given that we know the time-stream is non-deterministic, both in IW/Endgame and AoS. In IW, Strange looked ahead to millions of possible outcomes. If it's deterministic then there should only ever have been or could be *one*. And season before last; Robin managed to alter events enough to break a causal loop.
You can't change *your* personal past. You can however effect events in the here and now, hence the Ancient One initially not being cool with Bruce just taking the time stone and bouncing. It may help his situation, but it's leave her branch universe essentially buggered.
However, it seems the mode of time travel matters since the chronicom hunters believe they can create and ideal "present" for their people by surgically removing SHIELD from the time stream. Since they doing it with the white monolith (I think? haven't rewatched last season's finale since it aired), as was done previously; that seems to create a causal bridge linking two regions of space-time.
If this follows Endgame rules then they're not saving their people, they're saving another universe's race of sentient chronicoms while leaving most of their's back where they left them.
...And this is why applying logic to time travel stories is almost always a bad idea...
So what if she saw that SHIELD wins in all possible outcomes but one?
Count me as one of the ones who really needed a "last time on". I had no memory of what was wrong with May throughout the whole episode, and only got the season 6 refresher after I had completed this episode. Not ideal. That said, also count me as one of the ones who loved this episode. Very fun start to the final season. Great to see the old gang one last time.
Surely they'll graduate to the different steaming shows and movies as supporting characters?
Steaming shows? Is that some alternate reality with steam powered cameras and televisions?
