Kryptonite meteor from Krypton-1, where Jor-El wasn't a rocket scientist.
Spoilers Batwoman - Season 1
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Christie Apparently it’s this guy who is older than Ackles
Seriously these days most actors look perpetually about 30 regardless of their actual ages. Until they reach about 50 and lines on their faces can not be hidden by hair coloring or toupees.
Me too! I was quick to find out his name and look up his age for that reason.
Raises question if he will straight up playnreal Bruce and/or Batman. This may be a factor as to why the next crossover is between Superman & Lois and Batwoman. On top of Supergirl having an even longer delay in starting its next season with Melissa being pregnant.
No wonder they wanted those scenes.
Batwoman
Season 1 Finale - Episode 20 - "O, Mouse!"
Kate/BW: I had to groan when Kate told Mary she as he hope of convincing Jacob BW is one of the good guys. Anytime a character starts the story with hope, its almost a guarantee the bottom will drop out. Batwoman repeatedly being outmatched...beaten down by "Tim the Titan" (the psychotic football player) was great to see; as noted in other episodes, Kate--even with BW gear--is not invincible. This series plays her weakness in realistic manner rarely seen on other CW-DC series (with Black Lightning being the exception).
Luke: The fact Luke questioned Kate about knowing about Superman confirms that he--like many people in the world--still have no idea about the events/effect of COIE (and a Supergirl). I was hoping Luke would think of weaponizing the remaining Kryptonite sample as weapon for BW--or himself. Yes, it could fall into the wrong hands, but it would give any user an astounding advantage over anyone.
Alice / Mouse / Tommy "Hush" Elliot: At the start, one would be convinced Mouse would have enough of Alice's Batwoman obsession, and it was good to see him assert the true hierarchy in the relationship (who is the true survivor), but he missed her cryptic "I won't let you leave me..." line. That was a gargantuan bit of telegraphing, and sure enough, she murdered him. Once Kate learns of the murder, the showrunners should not have Kate give Alice yet another free pass. Alice is just loony, murderous trash who needs to be put down.
Jacob /Sophie: How anyone thought he was going to go easy on BW was dreaming; he promised war, and now that's going to be the conflict backbone of season two. The look he gave Sophie (and his loss of hope reply) was cold--he means business, but I hope this does not lead to what would be a weak sub-plot of Sophie and/or Julia leaving the Crows out of childish protest.
Mary: Mary's reckless ploy to unite Jacob and BW was devoid of an ounce of sense; her being his daughter--and how BW is trusted means nothing to one seeing BW in real world terms, meaning BW is a vigilante and has caused some harm in the city. Mary's fangirling / begging was hollow.
NOTES: Another intense opening.
The issue of football players suffering brain damage and said damage leading to violent behavior (as alleged in the Aaron Hernandez case) was a bit too topical, and once Tim was killed, that is likely the last anyone in-universe will ever mention the issue to any serious degree.
With Elliot posing as (a far too young) Bruce Wayne--it begs the question if the "real" Wayne will make a brief appearance next season--never in costume, but as himself to give Kate a pep talk after the mistaken identity plot dies down.
The series started off with so much viewer doubt, but it grew in a pretty natural way. By no means a perfect series, but undoubtedly, its the second best CW-DC series ever produced (after Black Lightning, or course), and I look forward to season two.
GRADE: A+.
Season 1 Finale - Episode 20 - "O, Mouse!"
Kate/BW: I had to groan when Kate told Mary she as he hope of convincing Jacob BW is one of the good guys. Anytime a character starts the story with hope, its almost a guarantee the bottom will drop out. Batwoman repeatedly being outmatched...beaten down by "Tim the Titan" (the psychotic football player) was great to see; as noted in other episodes, Kate--even with BW gear--is not invincible. This series plays her weakness in realistic manner rarely seen on other CW-DC series (with Black Lightning being the exception).
Luke: The fact Luke questioned Kate about knowing about Superman confirms that he--like many people in the world--still have no idea about the events/effect of COIE (and a Supergirl). I was hoping Luke would think of weaponizing the remaining Kryptonite sample as weapon for BW--or himself. Yes, it could fall into the wrong hands, but it would give any user an astounding advantage over anyone.
Alice / Mouse / Tommy "Hush" Elliot: At the start, one would be convinced Mouse would have enough of Alice's Batwoman obsession, and it was good to see him assert the true hierarchy in the relationship (who is the true survivor), but he missed her cryptic "I won't let you leave me..." line. That was a gargantuan bit of telegraphing, and sure enough, she murdered him. Once Kate learns of the murder, the showrunners should not have Kate give Alice yet another free pass. Alice is just loony, murderous trash who needs to be put down.
Jacob /Sophie: How anyone thought he was going to go easy on BW was dreaming; he promised war, and now that's going to be the conflict backbone of season two. The look he gave Sophie (and his loss of hope reply) was cold--he means business, but I hope this does not lead to what would be a weak sub-plot of Sophie and/or Julia leaving the Crows out of childish protest.
Mary: Mary's reckless ploy to unite Jacob and BW was devoid of an ounce of sense; her being his daughter--and how BW is trusted means nothing to one seeing BW in real world terms, meaning BW is a vigilante and has caused some harm in the city. Mary's fangirling / begging was hollow.
NOTES: Another intense opening.
The issue of football players suffering brain damage and said damage leading to violent behavior (as alleged in the Aaron Hernandez case) was a bit too topical, and once Tim was killed, that is likely the last anyone in-universe will ever mention the issue to any serious degree.
With Elliot posing as (a far too young) Bruce Wayne--it begs the question if the "real" Wayne will make a brief appearance next season--never in costume, but as himself to give Kate a pep talk after the mistaken identity plot dies down.
The series started off with so much viewer doubt, but it grew in a pretty natural way. By no means a perfect series, but undoubtedly, its the second best CW-DC series ever produced (after Black Lightning, or course), and I look forward to season two.
GRADE: A+.
I had problems with this one. I mean, just from a technical standpoint it seems ludicrous that Jacob couldn't fire that shotgun in the subway. Then Kate hits him with the shotgun, now I get the whole bat no kill thing but jeez they sure let a lot of people die to keep that moral high ground.
And so I guess Jacob is a would be straight-up murderer? Even if we ignore killing the titan how can Kate and Mary still respect him? I mean I get BW is a vigilante and all but yeesh. I guess I can see how he couldn't shoot Tim the Titan there since he couldn't figure out to shoot BW in the face at point blank range in (what is the non-offensive term for a Polish firing squad?). I know I go on about that a lot but it was particularly ridiculous here as she peers out from behind her cape cover to launch a grappling hook.
And you don't know my dad? Who talks like that to someone who calls the same man dad? What a shitty sister.
On the positive side, the Bruce Wayne thing is a clever way to try to get the kryptonite though I really don't like the idea that the batsuit is impenetrable. I mean bulletproof? OK, but that seems a bit over-the-top.
And so I guess Jacob is a would be straight-up murderer? Even if we ignore killing the titan how can Kate and Mary still respect him? I mean I get BW is a vigilante and all but yeesh. I guess I can see how he couldn't shoot Tim the Titan there since he couldn't figure out to shoot BW in the face at point blank range in (what is the non-offensive term for a Polish firing squad?). I know I go on about that a lot but it was particularly ridiculous here as she peers out from behind her cape cover to launch a grappling hook.
And you don't know my dad? Who talks like that to someone who calls the same man dad? What a shitty sister.
On the positive side, the Bruce Wayne thing is a clever way to try to get the kryptonite though I really don't like the idea that the batsuit is impenetrable. I mean bulletproof? OK, but that seems a bit over-the-top.
She doesn't seem to mind all the other collateral damage Alice has done murdering doctors and such.
They're making it harder for me to sympathize with Jacob Kane. Hopefully season two rehabilitates the character.
Warren Christie is 44. I have no problem with Bruce that age; he would have left Gotham at around 39. Say he operated at Batman for 15 years, it means he started around age 24.
Warren Christie is 44. I have no problem with Bruce that age; he would have left Gotham at around 39. Say he operated at Batman for 15 years, it means he started around age 24.
Yes, it works out fine. The Arrowverse's Clark Kent is 41 (he looks younger because his superpowers slow his aging), so Bruce Wayne being around the same age is perfect.
I remember Warren Christie from Alphas. I wouldn't have thought of him for Bruce Wayne, but he can pull off playing an action lead. I wonder what he'd look like as Batman. I'm sure some fan artists are already working on composites of his face and the unmodified Batsuit from the pilot.
I know some people are bound to complain "But Kate recognized Kevin Conroy as Bruce in Crisis!" But if you watch closely, she didn't act as if she recognized him. Rose's line delivery when she said "Bruce?" suggested that she wasn't certain it was really him and was seeking confirmation.
The shows' writers really should coordinate more closely post-Crisis. "You're looking at the last piece of kryptonite on Earth -- except for the huge piles of it that Rama-Khan yanked out of the DEO building last week." Well, I guess that kryptonite's existence was classified, so there's no reason Luke would know about it, but it still feels a bit incongruous.
He sees BW as a part of what's wrong with Gotham, and as he pointed out to Sophie, he blames BW for being somewhat responsible for his wife's death. He's already emotionally scarred over the years after the loss of his first wife and thinking Beth died, and now he loses his 2nd wife and Beth is a mass murderer. Yes, he has much on his shoulders and little tolerance for someone who has been involved in what he sees more of the cause (to a degree) than random trigger of Gotham's problems.
By this late stage in the superhero media game, that very old comic book problem that will never be addressed--certaily not by TV or movie adaptations, hence the reason any big screen Batmen, MCU Captain America, Falcon, or anyone else with part or all of their face exposed is never targeted when the opportunity presents itself.
If you're referring to Kate, she had every right to say that; Kate is his biological daughter who grew up with him--shared the greatest tragedy of their lives--until she left to join the academy--they have a long, natural connection & history together that Mary does not and never will. Mary is the eternal attention seeking whiner who has the false belief that she should be as close/bonded to Jacob and Kate as they are to each other. Relationships and how familes percieve each other are not plug-ins.
Why wouldn't it be that tough? Batman--in the comics--faces more than just the run-of-the-mill criminal, so he would need to upgrade his costume to deal with the extraordinary.
That is a shortcoming of the series--she (Kate) should agonize over her failures more than what we've witnessed; she's completely green as a superhero, so the effects / collateral damage should wear on her often.
So kill anyone who is a problem? OK
Fair.
I know you hate Mary but I still think it's a crappy thing to say to family.
It takes the drama out of confrontations if the suit can't be affected by *anything on the planet*. I think it should be tough but she's basically Supergirl to anyone who doesn't pick her up and slam her into something apparently.
Yeah, I don't understand the stuff with the suit in this show. Batman's suit has never been invulnerable. Its tough, and I wouldn't expect the average bullet to get through in normal situations, but in pretty much every form of media Batman's suit can get ripped, torn, shredded etc depending on who he's fighting. Its not like the suit needs to be nearly invulnerable to make Batwoman a useful vigilante in the Arrowverse, Arrow's own suits weren't even really bulletproof from what I remember. It feels like a weird plot point for where the show is, like they want to take away a lot of the danger that Batwoman puts herself in, and I don't really get why they decided to do that.
I feel like they are doing a take on the alien symbiote storyline from Spider-Man: hero (in this case, Batman) comes across super outfit (in this case, magical), turns out outfit has deleterious effects, hero gets rid of it and realizes that are better without it. I'm curious about the circumstances that would make Bruce feel he needed something like the armor - perhaps when Superman showed up on the scene ala Batman v Superman.
Post-crisis there are many Kryptonian level threats with the merging of Supergirl and company into the fold. How many times have we seen Supergirl having a tough time with some rando alien in a bar. That said, I don't think that's a direction they would take and it does more likely stem from something more personal.
I don't care for that idea. Besides, Supergirl's early implicit references to Batman referred to him as a friend of Superman's, not an adversary. Which makes far more sense than the currently fashionable notion that they'd be at each other's throats. I agree with Chris Sims's argument that they would be more likely to see each other as allies:
So if anything, I think it's more likely that this super-Batsuit was created, not as a defense against Superman, but as a collaboration with Superman. On Earth-Prime (and on Earth-38), Batman and Superman were allies and occasional partners, so it stands to reason that Batman would've asked Superman if he could use his Kryptonian science to improve Batman's crimefighting gear, and Superman would've said yes because he's a pal.