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Spoilers Batwoman - Season 1

kirk55555 said:
Yeah, I don't understand the stuff with the suit in this show. Batman's suit has never been invulnerable. Its tough, and I wouldn't expect the average bullet to get through in normal situations, but in pretty much every form of media Batman's suit can get ripped, torn, shredded etc depending on who he's fighting. Its not like the suit needs to be nearly invulnerable to make Batwoman a useful vigilante in the Arrowverse, Arrow's own suits weren't even really bulletproof from what I remember. It feels like a weird plot point for where the show is, like they want to take away a lot of the danger that Batwoman puts herself in, and I don't really get why they decided to do that.
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It's been body armour in all the recent movies.

Batman vs Aliens vs Predator was amazing to me just because the suit was silk.

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Christopher said:
On Earth-Prime (and on Earth-38), Batman and Superman were allies and occasional partners, so it stands to reason that Batman would've asked Superman if he could use his Kryptonian science to improve Batman's crimefighting gear, and Superman would've said yes because he's a pal.
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You could say he's a super friend...
 
Caretaker said:
I feel like they are doing a take on the alien symbiote storyline from Spider-Man: hero (in this case, Batman) comes across super outfit (in this case, magical), turns out outfit has deleterious effects, hero gets rid of it and realizes that are better without it. I'm curious about the circumstances that would make Bruce feel he needed something like the armor - perhaps when Superman showed up on the scene ala Batman v Superman.
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Logical point; Batman walks the tightrope between working with Gordon and being a pure vigilante, but one of comic's best plots of the past 30 years is having an early Batman (or early in his relation to others) see Superman as a threat in one way or another. He is an alien with no natural allegiance to anyone, so to the rational mind, that makes his presence and actions worthy of suspicion, or, as in the brilliant DC: The New Frontier Volume 1, a superpowered fist for government control. That,, and down the line, Batman would face villains that would kill him if he was running around in spandex or basic Kevlar-based pieces.
 
Mr. Adventure said:
So kill anyone who is a problem? OK
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He ties BW to the death of his wife as well. Would anyone realistically just sweep that under the carpet, or Joe Friday their minds into just trying to hook the cuffs on her? He's clearly a man suffering from trauma, but he will not back down (possibly to seek help) because he feels obligated to save the city--or try to.

I know you hate Mary but I still think it's a crappy thing to say to family.
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Again, Mary is a whiner with entitlement issues--a character who thinks she should be inserted into a natural, lifelong family dynamic when its clear neither Jacob or Kate ever viewed it that way, and again, they (Jacob and Kate) share family tragedy that bonds them even when the relationship is strained. No one--specifically Mary--should think she is going to just waltz into the middle of that as if she was a part of the family from the beginning.


It takes the drama out of confrontations if the suit can't be affected by *anything on the planet*. I think it should be tough but she's basically Supergirl to anyone who doesn't pick her up and slam her into something apparently.
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You've just made the point that she's not Supergirl; in this single season, Batwoman has been beaten or knocked down by Arkham inmates (including the Titan), the Executioner, and others. So, the suit is bulletproof, but in real world situations, its the same as situations where police wearing Kevlar vests have still suffered injury from physical assaults. A technological conundrum of sorts.
 
Finn said:
Shouldn't Bruce Wayne look older than that? He looks 35.
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Warren Christie is 44. For that matter, I was thinking that Gabriel Mann, who plays Tommy Elliot, looked like he was in his 30s, but he's 48. These days, actors in their 40s and 50s can still pass for 30s. Cosmetic surgery has come a long way. Or maybe it's just that they aren't ruining their skin with tobacco smoke anymore.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
He ties BW to the death of his wife as well. Would anyone realistically just sweep that under the carpet, or Joe Friday their minds into just trying to hook the cuffs on her? He's clearly a man suffering from trauma, but he will not back down (possibly to seek help) because he feels obligated to save the city--or try to.
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And that justifies murder? EDIT: I get that he's affected, do you see that it is a bad thing?

Again, Mary is a whiner with entitlement issues--a character who thinks she should be inserted into a natural, lifelong family dynamic when its clear neither Jacob or Kate ever viewed it that way, and again, they (Jacob and Kate) share family tragedy that bonds them even when the relationship is strained. No one--specifically Mary--should think she is going to just waltz into the middle of that as if she was a part of the family from the beginning.
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She's lived with the family, presumably around when Kate was not, puts her life on the line for Kate, lost her mother to Kate's family tragedy and joined the family when she was 9 a few years older than Kate but it's not "her dad"? Jacob seems to accept her, I guess Kate doesn't because she sees Beth as her sister but I still contend this is bad on Kate's part not Mary's.

You've just made the point that she's not Supergirl; in this single season, Batwoman has been beaten or knocked down by Arkham inmates (including the Titan), the Executioner, and others. So, the suit is bulletproof, but in real world situations, its the same as situations where police wearing Kevlar vests have still suffered injury from physical assaults. A technological conundrum of sorts.
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I guess it seems odd with the whole revelation about the way to defeat the batsuit. So I guess all that work was just to pierce the batsuit?
 
Ovation said:
The actor is 44.
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Christopher said:
Warren Christie is 44. For that matter, I was thinking that Gabriel Mann, who plays Tommy Elliot, looked like he was in his 30s, but he's 48. These days, actors in their 40s and 50s can still pass for 30s. Cosmetic surgery has come a long way. Or maybe it's just that they aren't ruining their skin with tobacco smoke anymore.
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Thanks. I'm one to talk. I was mistaken for a high school kid a few months back, and I'm 40 :lol:
 
I think the suit plot would make more sense if it wasn't tied to Lucius Fox. Sort of if the criminal element had developed a myth about the indestructibility of the batsuit and Batpeople in general over the years and had started coming up with weird complex theories on how to destroy it. Which was kind of the point of dressing up as a bat, to freak criminals out by appearing supernatural. That could have justified a convoluted kryptonite plot without making the suit too OP.
 
Finn said:
Thanks. I'm one to talk. I was mistaken for a high school kid a few months back, and I'm 40 :lol:
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You too? I was mistaken for a high school kid a few months back as well (about 360 months or so :lol: ) and I'm 53 (sshhh, don't tell anyone--I don't look a day over 62 :lol: ).
 
You guys suck, I turned 21 and no would card me. I almost wanted to just show it to them anyway. Last time I bought, the cashier looked up at me and did a "pfft" under her breath as she OK'd the purchase.
 
Aww, no. She was fantastic in the role. She's such a striking, distinctive presence -- she won't be easy to replace. I wonder why she left. The article says it isn't believed to be because of her earlier injury.

I wonder, will they try to explain her transformation in-story (e.g. plastic surgery or Mr. Mxyzptlk playing a prank), or just pull a Superboy and pretend nothing's changed?

Oh, dang. I finally got some long-awaited good news today and was just starting to enjoy myself, and now this happens.
 
I wonder how they're going to deal with this. Pretend that she always looked the same or explain she got a new face or what? This sucks since I liked her in the role.
 
Come to think of it, Alice's whole deal is changing people's faces, so maybe they have a solution built in. Maybe they can actually integrate the recasting into the Alice story arc, although that would make it hard to pick up right where they left off with "Bruce" and the kryptonite.
 
Screenwriter and producer (of other things, not Batwoman) Zack Stentz, while making it clear that he's providing context that doesn't even rise to the level of speculation, and not at all spreading insider knowledge, offered this on twitter (which is actually how I found out the news, once I looked to see what he was talking about):
I have no behind-the-scenes knowledge here, but it's actually not uncommon for actors from the features/cable world to be shocked and unprepared for the sheer workload of a being the lead in a network show and quickly become miserable doing it.

Which is a longwinded way of saying that in the absence of evidence, don't assume drama. It might have just been an actor who wasn't prepared for 60-80 hour work weeks 9 months a year in the Vancouver rain.

It's why I tried to be understanding whenever I heard an actor was getting grumpy. Any of us would be grumpy too, working those hours in that weather while being expected to maintain a superhero physique the entire time.
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And, yeah, she was almost paralyzed on the job, which probably puts a pretty high baseline on how much she'd have to be enjoying the job not to want to punch out.
 
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